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#220765 - 11/11/13 04:48 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: Wallyg]
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I don't think it would make great sense to buy 13 now so near the release date of biab 2014.

Just hoping there the new upgrade will have the features for windows 32 bit as well, and we are not just lumbered with the old biab 13 (with new realtracks) whereas everyone else gets a 64 bit copy.

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#220795 - 11/11/13 10:49 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: jazzmammal]
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Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
Wally, you and I are almost the same age and I too traveled all over the place as a musician in a previous life.

I have a Korg Pa1XPro arranger keyboard and am very familiar with arrangers including your Roland BK-7. Your Roland is very nice although not as good as their flagship G70 keyboard. That thing is a beast but at around three G's it better be.

The big difference between Biab and an arranger is the arranger is instant. Turn it on and start playing and it will give you some nice backing tracks right now. The downside is no matter how good they are they're limited. For each style you have a couple of intro's maybe four variations and a couple of endings and I can get a drum fill by pushing a button. After some time though they sound the same over and over unless you're good at creating your own styles.

Biab is completely different. It's called intelligent because you have to enter the chords and set up your song structure first then hit play. Biab then analyzes all that and comes up with an arrangement. It doesn't depend on your playing for the exact chords it will decide what chord voicings to use based on the style. That can be good or bad depending on how picky you are. Some complain a lot that they can't input exact chord voicings. All I can say is that's not how Biab is designed to work and leave it at that. With my Korg I can play pretty much any voicing and I will still get the appropriate backing tracks. That's a big advantage sometimes. The other big advantage is live playing. I can do what I want with a tune on my Korg. The backing tracks are automatic and it will dumbly follow whatever I do. I can change keys, vamp a verse, extend a solo, segue into something else, whatever. Biab can't do that it has to be preprogrammed ahead of time.

Biab oth has the Real Tracks/Drums. All the arrangers and your Roland are using midi to trigger their internal synths. They sound pretty good but are not even on the same planet as the RT's. The RT's are like having a studio player right there with you. The bad news there is you can't tell him exactly what to play because his parts are prerecorded but still they sound so good that most of us don't care. You can still mix the RT's with a few midi tracks to get certain parts exactly how you want them.

I could write a book about this but at least this might help you a bit with the differences between using your Roland and Biab.

From what I'm reading you don't need the Audiophile tracks. Just get the regular ones and if you think they're lacking use the 30 day return policy and upgrade to the Audiophile.

Bob


Bob,

It takes some effort and time to type your post and I greatly appreciate it! I will wait for BIAB 2014 and in the mean time do some more research into the different packages including getting more info from this forum.

Thanks again for you help!

Walt
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#220838 - 11/11/13 05:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: musiclover]
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Originally Posted By: musiclover
I don't think it would make great sense to buy 13 now so near the release date of biab 2014.

Musiclover


So, there's actually been a release date?
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#220840 - 11/11/13 05:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

So, there's actually been a release date?

No.
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#220849 - 11/11/13 05:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Originally Posted By: musiclover
I don't think it would make great sense to buy 13 now so near the release date of biab 2014.

Musiclover


So, there's actually been a release date?


I think Videotrack that you have been long enough on the forums to realise and to know by now how PG music works as regards release dates and how there is no prior warning until the actual announcement appears on the PG website.

Saying that even the dogs on the street know that the next years version will always appear early to mid December.

Musiclover


Edited by musiclover (11/11/13 05:59 PM)
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#220900 - 11/12/13 03:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: musiclover]
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Originally Posted By: musiclover
Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Originally Posted By: musiclover
I don't think it would make great sense to buy 13 now so near the release date of biab 2014.

Musiclover


So, there's actually been a release date?


I think Videotrack that you have been long enough on the forums to realise and to know by now how PG music works as regards release dates and how there is no prior warning until the actual announcement appears on the PG website.

Saying that even the dogs on the street know that the next years version will always appear early to mid December.

Musiclover


Hi MusicLover, thanks for your comments.
I've been using Band In A Box since 1992. 21 years or so. Yep, we all hope that there will be a 2104 release before Xmas, but I just got the impression from your earlier comment that a release date must have been announced, and was seeking to confirm if that was fact, as I'd missed any formal statement. Matt confirmed that this was not so (and he would definitely know...). Let's all continue to hope of an early to mid December date.
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#220909 - 11/12/13 05:05 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: Wallyg]
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Given that we broke the longstanding pattern by having no mid-year release, my dog is reluctant to draw any conclusions. And I don't even have a dog.
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#220916 - 11/12/13 07:22 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Given that we broke the longstanding pattern by having no mid-year release, my dog is reluctant to draw any conclusions. And I don't even have a dog.


Got to admire the way that PG music have all these beta testers trained, not allowed even to own a dog in case it divulges any info smile

Speaking of dogs isn't it strange how some react to music, I have seen some who wail when any music starts, it it annoying to them I wonder?

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#220917 - 11/12/13 07:35 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: Wallyg]
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We can recap what we do know, that two users (Wally and Del) reported here that PG Music advised them to wait to make a new purchase, and confirmed that in the past new versions are released in December. That's all we know (the known knowns).
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#220918 - 11/12/13 07:57 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: musiclover]
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Originally Posted By: musiclover
. . . Got to admire the way that PG music have all these beta testers trained, not allowed even to own a dog in case it divulges any info smile

Musiclover


You could have a dog, but it would have to kill you. >:-)>
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#221031 - 11/13/13 02:13 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Buy BIAB 2013 now, or wait for BIAB 2014 [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
(the known knowns).


Don't you hate it when you don't know what you don't know? wink
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