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I've had this axe for about a year. In making a recording tonight, using it as a controller for the rather decent acoustic piano in Garritan Personal Orchestra, I found out one disappointment that had not yet hit me - there are no selectable velocity curves for this board. You get what you get. I used to use a velocity scaling vst that I could put before any soft-synth, but that was on a WinXp machine. Found the website with the plugin, but it's a rar archive and rarzilla says it won't unpack.
Number two - even though this is called a 'synth', there is no way to assign an envelope to the filter on most of the sound engines. I simply wanted to do a swelled cutoff on the polyphonic sample-playback mode of the keyboard. No can do. Can do it in the monophonic synth, but not the poly PCM sample playback sound engine.
Up til now, I've been pretty happy with it - but these were a 1-2 punch tonight.
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Scott if you either send me the rar file or tell me it’s exact location I will unpack it and send it to you. I still have a couple of XP machines with old software on them so I should be able to do this.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Mario, I am pretty sure I have the VST already unpacked on my XP desktop. However, if you would like to give it a try, the file location is here: http://www.platinumears.com/velocitycurvesm.htmlBTW, the guy who wrote this plugin, is named Dan Worrall, and he is one of the best hired-guns for making DAW and plugin tutorial videos. He has a nice manner for teaching difficult to understand signal processing concepts. This is a handy plugin to have around when it seems like the available velocity scaling in whatever controller you have at hand doesn't play nice with the plugin/sound module you are using. I have found that in the XW-P1, there are two different curves available, accessible only through programming of individual 'performances', no global settings as a controller. -Scott
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I seem to recall that Garritan Personal Orchestra does not use Standard MIDI commands for certain things.
You may want to take a look at that instead.
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Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Mario, got it. What program did you use to unpack it? Mac, the GPO I have runs inside of Kontakt player, so I'll see if there's any details - couldn't find anything last night as I was checking it out. Looking at some other forum posts on Kontakt player, there is no direct control available - it's only available in the full version of Kontakt. Here's the track that I recorded last night that has me a bit frustrated - I had to just barely kiss the keys with the left hand to keep them from being too loud, and you can hear the unnatural note onsets. Part of it is down to being an unweighted keyboard, but part of it is also a too sensitive mapping IMO. https://soundcloud.com/rockstar_not/christmastime-is-here-Scott
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Scott 7-zip was the program I used. 7-zip runs in Win 7 also. This is my main Zip/rar program, so far it has work on everything I have thrown at it.
I believe that Mac is thinking about the fact that Garritan’s programs uses the mod wheel for volume. I don’t know if you can change that in the Kontakt Player. In the full Kontakt I have a tab in left center of the screen call auto. If you click on auto/midi automation you can assign and CC to any assignable parameter that’s available. Check to see if you have that option in the player.
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Wait a minute. Got to thinking about this last night, and realized that the XW-P1 also has the Casio Tonewheel Organ in it - and in all the other models I've used and played, that means that Touch is both adjustable and also can be turned off. The .pdf manual I downloaded from Casio on this machine indicates that Touch is included in the parameters listed on p65. http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_XWP1-E-1B.pdf There is also the Appendix of the manual here: http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/Web_07S1APPEND-WL-1A.pdf And then there is the MIDI implementation manual as well: http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/nil%20%28XWP1_G1_MIDI_E_WEB1203A%29.pdf Scott, I think that you should reinvestigate the keyboard's settings and such, for the Velocity, called "Touch" in these manuals, should certainly be internally adjustable. --Mac
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Mac, you are right about the 'touch' as a sensitivity
However, there are also two 'curves', but they are only accessible in the 'performance' mode of the keyboard. I remember that I did the recording not with the keyboard in performance mode, but 'tone' mode, so I'm not even sure which of these modes was selected for the 'tone' patch I had it set to. There's a sensitivity range in each of these patches from -64 to +64, but I don't know if that is something that is transmitted to external MIDI. I believe that is just the sensitivity of the internal engine to velocity.
The only 'curves' are on the page you indicated, which again is for one mode of the XW-P1. I am pretty sure I did not have it set to that mode when I recorded the above.
I need to revisit.
Mario, I am going to take a look at 7zip. I didn't know it did un-rar.
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Scott, there is only one MIDI engine inside the thing.
Therefore, if it is sending Touch data, which is usually applying software derived curves to the actual Velocity data, to the internal sound engine, it must be sending the same out the MIDI port.
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OK, maybe I'm calling something the wrong thing. I got a little bit used to the velocity 'curves' available on my cheapo M-Audio Oxygen 49. Besides an overall slope or multiplier, which I believe is the 2 level 'touch' setting on the XW-P1, there were 9 different curves available. You can see them on page 13 of the Oxygen manual here: http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/manuals/051014_OxyLine_UG-EN01_V1.PDFThese are not just a 'slope' but rather more like the input/output diagram of a fancy compressor that allows more than just a knee or soft-knee setting with ratio. Check them out. I don't remember which one I hit on with the Oxygen, but there was one that when I had it tied to GPO on the Steinway, was 'just poifect'! I left the thing that way until I ultimately sold the board a year and a half or so ago to help fund the XW-P1 purchase. No worries, the .dll that Mario unrar'ed for me does exactly the same thing except rather than 9 fixed curves, it is user definable. Ray had replied in this thread, but since deleted his post. Ray, how have you gotten on with overdrive on the Drawbar organ engine? That's the other disappointment I forgot to mention. The XW-P1 does a GREAT job of crystal clean drawbar sounds. But I like me some dirt in my drawbar organ, and with the on-board DSP, the overdrive/distortion, is all fizzy and over-the-top. It's not usable. On the Privia PX5, they have it dialed in just right. But not on this board, unfortunately, IMO.
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I know the M-Audio curves, use two of their larger products here daily, much the same in all. Nice. But those are designed only as Controllers and on such I've come to expect adjustable parameters such as that one. After all, the designers want to have the thing work with as many different synth solutions as customers can throw it at.
But I also use a couple of the Casios, mostly live, for their organs and some of the other sounds can't be beat for the money. Still, use as Controller is at best a secondary design issue with these beasts.
All you can do is experiment with the Touch controls once you find out how to change them, likely there's a setting or more that will at least improve things with an overly sensitive synth.
I've got another one, a Yamaha legacy keyboard, the old W7, completely loaded with all external sound boards made for it. Its default Touch is remarkably dainty, so much so that if I forget to go in there and reset it when it reverts to defaults, it is unplayable, even on the 001 Grand Piano. Darn "Organ Key" keyboards. And that is with its own internal sounds. As a controller, I've found not much in the way of hardware or software solutions that like the default velocities either. But that old synth has some sounds I still use from time to time, an Underscore Creator's beauty.
Can't imagine why anyone would shed an Oxygen, though. Very handy things they are.
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I realized that I shouldn't post about the XWP1 because I really haven't delved into the synth section. When I have to use it on a gig, I just use the piano and the drawbar organ. I think it's a great kybrd for under $500.00. Later, Ray
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