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#234162 - 01/10/14 01:34 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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As the other posts indicate, we have been around this topic a few times over a few versions. It hasn't (to my knowledge) been solved because it does not happen for everyone and must therefore be dependent on individual installations. I had assumed it was related to the Count-in/Metronome and Loop settings, but now I'm not sure.

If any others who do experience this click/bang can post what they use as discussed above, perhaps we will discover the common cause. Tony, Rachael and Mac have made suggestions as to things you can check.
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#234166 - 01/10/14 01:59 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: Mac]
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Originally Posted By: Mac
I experienced the sound of the Drum countin click at end of songs sometimes with ver2012 and to a lesser amount with ver2013.

With the release of 2014, haven't heard it yet.

Here's a cou0les of questions for all who have that annoying sound at end of songs:

*Are you using ASIO or MME audio driver when it happens?

*Does it happen with both, or perhaps only with one, or more times with one than the other?


This may also have something to do with the type, brand and model of sound device in use, too, I'm thinking differences in the way drivers may handle things.


--Mac


I'm using MME, and external synth for some sounds (not drums), although this didn't seem to matter.

Sometimes (but very rarely), I have heard two beats, but most often I get one.

It sounds exactly the same as the first count-in beat of tapping drum sticks together. I've never heard any other sound.

I'm always using Real Drums, although I suspect the count-in is not part of "Real Drums", but rather is generated using midi or similar?
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#234167 - 01/10/14 02:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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As you can see, this has been around for a while. I thought Peter addressed it at some point and said the extra click was, in fact, the drum track starting over again by mistake.

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads...true#Post114488
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads...true#Post100943
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads...=true#Post88488
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads...true#Post133567

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#234168 - 01/10/14 02:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: Rachael]
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Thanks Rachael for your excellent detective work.

I have reported to PGM, but it seems that they might have known about this already for some time.

Anyway, I suggested that anybody observing this might consider reporting to PGM. The squeaky wheel...
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#234173 - 01/10/14 02:53 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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Using "C.", I only hear the reverb. Using "C..", I hear a stop with nothing after the last note. Using "C...", I hear a held note and then nothing. My count-ins are silent, just a visual count-in. Don't know if that makes a difference. Later, Ray
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#234178 - 01/10/14 03:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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That may yield a clue, Ray.

Those experiencing the click might test it by changing to only Visual Countin and then see if the click is still there or not.


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#234208 - 01/10/14 09:54 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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I haven't experienced it in BiaB, yet my instinct says 'buffer unload'.
Likely induced by driver/system combinations and hard to isolate. But that's just a guess.
Most likely my fault. wink

Buffer dump has been the issue the few times I *have* experienced this with RB. I've never seen it in BiaB though. Then again I spend much more time in RB than BiaB.
In RB I've seen it both at the end of songs and when I stop a song (before the end) and restart it right away. However, in these instances, I can usually track it back to an isolated FX plugin being used. The plugin gets stopped with it's buffer still holding data, and empties it suddenly. This may be another clue.

/Not isolated to a single plugin; seems to be a plugin/system combination event
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#234217 - 01/10/14 11:11 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: Mac]
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Just tried a file with audible count-in. No extra click on C., C.., or C... Last measure works as it's supposed to. Later, Ray
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#234219 - 01/10/14 11:25 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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Bob, it takes a big man to accept the blame even when you don't use the program much! I think we can let you off the hook on this one.

Question: if it is a buffer emptying, wouldn't that cause more randomly timed problems that what we hear, which for many is always at the same place: the first beat of what could be a count-in to the next chorus?
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#234220 - 01/10/14 11:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: raymb1]
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I don't think it's at all related to shots or holds in the chord structure.

I find it doesn't do it predictably. It may not do it for several songs, and then it just starts doing it at the end of a song. Go back and play a previous one that played fine, and it does it on that now too.

It's related to the BiaB "Session" rather than the particular song. Shutdown Biab and restart, it may not do it again (for a while).
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#234226 - 01/10/14 11:55 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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Trevor, that's an interesting hypothesis. Whenever I start BIAB, it stays on for hours. Next time I hear a click/bang, I will restart.
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#234442 - 01/12/14 05:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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From what I can see, this issue is way out of my league and not unique to me. I just use the basics with BIAB. I will just set back and wait for more input and see if anything works. I'm old and not techy.

Most all the songs I do end with a one or two bar hold and then the off chord thing with a single dot. That's when it happens. Haven't tried any other ending.

I did seem to cure some of the slowness of loading and I think(hope) some of the workings slowness. I did as someone suggested. That being, telling my antivirus program to ignore the C:\bb folder.

Both of these problems were not an issue with my BIAB 2009 for some reason.

I really do appriciate the help.

JimE

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#234461 - 01/12/14 08:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: "CLICK" at end of song. [Re: blackemmons]
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After I read a whole bunch of related threads, I tried a couple of the suggestion and here are the results.

If I turn off the "Audible Lead-In" and just do a visual lead-in .............. no "click".

If I turn the "Audible Lead-In" back on and change the "Lead-In Type", I get whatever I change it to. For example, if I change it to "A Pattern Then Fill", I get the first beat of that pattern for the last "click/noise".

I guess that boils it down to a problem with the "Count-in/Met??

JimE

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