You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
#36691 - 09/17/09 01:28 PM Using BIAB for basic rhythm exercises
laowai Offline

Registered: 09/17/09
Posts: 2
I just downloaded the demo of BIAB and am very impressed.

I am a beginner student of jazz piano. Right now I'm using ABRSM's "Jazz Piano From Scratch" book + CD. The book has lots of great exercises for building basic skills. For some of the rhythm exercises, the book suggests using a drum machine or a partner, but I think BIAB should work great.

Right now I'm trying to set up BIAB to do a "call and response" or "trading fours" rhythm exercise in which the drums would play an improvised rhythm for two measures and then leave a gap, also of two measures, for me to fill in a response. This is different from the "trading fours" function in Soloist since it only involves rhythm, no melody. Here's the solution I've come it with so far --

1. I set the style for DRUMSOLJ which is just drums.

2. I filled in the following repeating pattern of chords: C C | C. C. | C C | C. C.| etc. (that is, 2 measures of computer-generated drumming followed by a 2 measure silent break).

3. I lowered the tempo down to around 70-80 BPM for starters.

This solution is working pretty well. The drums play a random improvised solo for 2 measures then leave me a space to either practice echoing the question or create my own answer. However, it still needs tweaking. Here are the two problems that I haven't solved yet:

1. The default BIAB setting seems to allow the drums to only loosely follow the play/break/play structure. That is, every so often the drums "bleed" into the third measure or start early in the fourth measure. This may be more realistic and desirable later, but for right now I'd like to figure out a way to get the drums to strictly play only during the first 2 measures and then go silent for the entire next two measures.

2. With surprising frequency (especially if I alternate the call/responses every measure rather than every 2 measures, viz C C. | C C. | etc) the computer generated drums will only hit a single cymbal crash for the entire "solo." Is there any way to tweak the settings to ensure that the drums always play at least, say, 2 strokes?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

#36692 - 09/17/09 03:51 PM Re: Using BIAB for basic rhythm exercises [Re: laowai]
Mac Offline

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 38502
Loc: Chesapeake, Virginia USA
Your problems may be because you are attempting to do this with RealDrums. That may be a bit complicated for the RealDrums generator.

Try using MIDI drums instead. Not as real sounding, but plenty to learn there and there are a LOT more styles available. MIDI should follow those Rest commands to the letter.

PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here

You must be Audiominds.

#36693 - 09/17/09 05:53 PM Re: Using BIAB for basic rhythm exercises [Re: Mac]
laowai Offline

Registered: 09/17/09
Posts: 2
Thanks Mac! I switched to the MIDI drums and that seems to work. The MIDI drums follow the rests very cleanly >90% of the time. They still hit an occasional beat in the middle of the break for some reason, but it's not enough to throw me off (the RealDrums would sometimes play right through the rest!) Also, the MIDI drums seem to be automatically playing a greater variety of riffs.

Thanks again!

#36694 - 09/25/09 10:43 AM Re: Using BIAB for basic rhythm exercises [Re: laowai]
PeterGannon Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 12004

There's a dedicated feature for this in BB. It is called Break Bars. Edit-Prefs-Display gets you there.

You set the program to play for N bars, and then break for M bars. In your example, you would set N=2 and M=2.

This works on all songs, until you turn the break feature off. It is intended for musical practice, where you need to keep time when the band drops out, and can see when the break ends if you've sped up or slowed down.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.

#36695 - 10/01/09 10:55 AM Re: Using BIAB for basic rhythm exercises [Re: PeterGannon]
pghboemike Online   content

Registered: 07/13/02
Posts: 1604

It is called Break Bars. Edit-Prefs-Display gets you there.


in biab 2009.5 this feature is available via Edit-Prefs-arange and checking the insert breaks checkbox
asus laptop Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz 8 GB RAM 64 bit Windows 7 pro casio wk7500 roland quadCapture audio\midi usb interface
casio wk-7500
biab & realband 2015 everything pk both with Current builds


PG Music News
Congratulations RealTracks Artist Paul Franklin - CMA Award Nominee!

RealTracks Artist Paul Franklin (Pedal Steel) has been nominated for the CMA Musician of the Year Award!

We will find out on November 4th! More info...

Paul Franklin's RealTracks can be found in Sets 132, 149 & 182 - listen to demos of these here.

#TipTuesday - Save a Track As a "Performance File"

Did you know... If you save a track as a "Performance File," you can send it your friend, who will be able to play it without needing to have the RealTracks installed.

To save the track, right-click on the instrument button and select "Save Track as Performance File."

Band-in-a-Box for Windows - Fretlight Support!

Band-in-a-Box 2014 and higher for Windows work with the Fretlight Guitar!

Using the program with this light-up guitar is really easy - just connect the guitar to your computer via USB before you open Band-in-a-Box.

Watch this Video to learn more...

Have you created a song using Band-in-a-Box, RealBand or PowerTracks Pro Audio?

Make sure you join our Forum and share your original tune on the User Showcase Forum! While you're there, listen to songs created by other forum members, and offer your feedback!

RealTracks Artist Trevor Hutchinson Performs Oct 7th!

RealTracks Artist Trevor Hutchinson shares the stage with Dermot Byrne and Steve Cooney at Whelan's on Wednesday, October 7th!

A Traditional Irish musical performance in Ireland? If I could be there, I would! So, if you're in the area you should check them out!

Learn more about the event here.

To read about Trevor and listen to demos of his RealTracks, visit his RealTracks Artist Bio page.

As always, if you've created a song that uses Trevor's RealTracks (from Sets 104 & 123), feel free to share them on our User Showcase Forum.

Save Your Song as a Video with Band-in-a-Box 2015

One of the ways to save your song with Band-in-a-Box 2015 is to save it as a video and upload it to YouTube!

See how this is done:

Have you saved your song as a video? Share it here!

#TBT - Dare-to-Compare Cassette!

Remember when you couldn't download audio files, CD's didn't exist and YouTube wasn't an option? How else could we offer a Dare-to-Compare feature? With a cassette, of course!

"Dare to Compare" Cassette - take a look!

Forum Stats
23621 Members
38 Forums
35669 Topics
285343 Posts

Max Online: 1591 @ 03/15/15 04:12 PM
Newest Members
Rigby, duvydestin, rstuvw461195, sonusharma, defghi106469

23621 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
c_fogle 147
Guitarhacker 131
floyd jane 112
Pat Marr 110
Noel96 101
Rob4580 100
eddie1261 99
VideoTrack 97
90 dB 94
Greg Johnson 93
Today's Birthdays
Otto Octavianus Doko