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#251943 - 05/30/14 02:15 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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I have mixed feelings about it. Not the wives & gf....lol - funny stuff.

I think you do have to be in good physical shape even if playing solo. And the vast majority of the competition is going to be much younger so you have to choose your spots of best opportunity. Band/Duo/Trio whatever drama can suck but solo gets boring pretty quick for some folks - always two sides to the pancake.

StreetJelly - that's JosieC (aka Joanne) mentioned above who's on there - For this Josie,(Sundance) the having to constantly read and react to the chat seemed like it would be a huge distraction. That's a whole different deal than being in the same room with a real live audience where you can see and feel real energy without having to either read chat and play at the same time or stop, read and talk to the chat board after every song.

I find it distracting when I'm trying to watch somebody on there. Back when I had more time to watch which I rarely do now because I'm too busy - I've seen so much chatter going on at times during a song that I've wondered who's really paying attention to the performer. Just my two cents as an observer. But I suppose the other side of it in not having to leave the house makes up for it and maybe I'll catch another performance someday if the stars align and I'm home and available when someone I like is on. <grin>

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#251954 - 05/30/14 03:57 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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I play lot's of gigs, but I'm not a solo artist - I play in groups - I started this gig when I was 50 or 51 - I'd never played in this kind of setting before.

My most regular gig is with a bunch of other "old farts" (I'm the youngest by nearly 20 years shocked ). We jam at a beach in front of the surf club every Wednesday morning - donations go to the surf club and the cafe feeds and waters us at lunch time.

Great views, great and forgiving audience and a fantastic vista smile

This is an iphone recording, not our regular drummer or bass player (this bass player usually plays sax and is in his late 80's), the piano player is also in his 80's, trumpeter is late 60's - not sure about the rest but they're all older - I make no claims to fame (I'm on the 'bone and this is definitely not my best improv. frown though I am getting better, slo-oo-oo-ly... ) - we're just havin' fun.

It might not be the greatest, but you're NEVER too old to have fun, and we have a regular audience of around 80 to 100 every Wednesday morning laugh



This pool is 50m from where we play:


Part of our regular audience, gotta watch 'em, they'll steal food out of your hand, flying between your hand and your face!!! smile




Edited by Lawrie (05/30/14 04:30 AM)
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#251962 - 05/30/14 06:34 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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Hi Lawrie

That looks awesome. What fun. Can I come and live there and play music and learn to surf?

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#251963 - 05/30/14 07:33 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: JoanneCooper]
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Absolutely! It's a lovely part of the world, you'd love it laugh
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#251965 - 05/30/14 08:16 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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You guys are rippin' Lawrie!

Too old? It takes a long time to get that good! grin


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#251967 - 05/30/14 08:38 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: 90 dB]
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Originally Posted By: 90 dB
You guys are rippin' Lawrie!

Too old? It takes a long time to get that good! grin


Ahh, bob, Maaate... You are my friend forever wink

I never played any improv at all until I was in my late 40's - if I didn't have a chart in front of me I had no idea at all! Then I did a couple of terms at the local conservatorium trying to learn the basics of Jazz improvisation - we covered basic harmonisation and the blues scale - that got me started - maybe one day I'll be able to say I'm starting to "get it" but in the meantime I'm gonna spend the rest of my life learning how smile
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#251968 - 05/30/14 08:54 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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You couldn't pick a nicer spot to play either. Oz is on my bucket list, but my old bucket's getting pretty full. grin
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#251972 - 05/30/14 09:17 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: 90 dB]
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Originally Posted By: 90 dB
You guys are rippin' Lawrie!

Too old? It takes a long time to get that good! grin


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+1 - if I have any more fun today than the 4 minutes of that, I've had a pretty good day

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#251977 - 05/30/14 10:04 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: 90 dB]
Lawrie Offline
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Originally Posted By: 90 dB
You couldn't pick a nicer spot to play either. Oz is on my bucket list, but my old bucket's getting pretty full. grin

Come on down - I'm sure we could find a bed somewhere, might be on the lounge though smile
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#251978 - 05/30/14 10:07 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: babarton]
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Originally Posted By: babarton


+1 - if I have any more fun today than the 4 minutes of that, I've had a pretty good day

Bruce

Hey Bruce - Be jealous mate, Wednesday mornings usually go for about 2 1/2 hours laugh

I think this might answser the OP's question - no, you're NEVER too old to start playin' gigs smile
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#251982 - 05/30/14 10:26 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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Being in a band is like being married without the sex. You have the intimate family relationship without the intimate contact.

In the bands that I've been in that have had female members, the rule was "No hanky panky - hands off" to both. It's the only way that will work. Even if the members are homosexual, the same rule should apply.

In the two bands that I was in with female members, the guys ended up being like big brothers to the girls and tried to protect them (sometimes a bit too much).

As far as wives are concerned, the first time a wife interferes, even if it's just a little bit, it's time for a band meeting and to nip that in the bud. In the bands I've been in, all wife (or other non-band partner), suggestions can be made to the band member they are mated with, in private, and if the suggestion is worthy, the band member can bring it up at a band meeting or rehearsal.

There are a lot of pitfalls and a lot of joy to being in a full band, and to avoid the problems the rules should be set out and agreed upon up front. And when a problem occurs, it should be nipped in the bud and not let go to extremes.

Of course, great tact is involved in bringing up problems to the floor as you don't want to start a shouting match.

I played in a road band for a few years, the one that almost got signed to Motown, and the rules were set up front by a more experienced member of the group who confronted those problems before. During the years we were together, two of us got married, and the wives were never a problem. Neither was the female member of the band. What eventually broke the band up was when Motown quit talking to us because our lawyers expected us to actually get a piece of the potential profits instead of working for what would amount to union scale.

I've been in other bands that make Internet flame wars seem like a child's game in comparison. Those are the bands I left.

If you plan to join a band, the think you need to remember is, what we do is called playing music. It should be serious fun, but if it isn't fun and playful, it's not worth it.

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#251997 - 05/30/14 12:34 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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Lawrie,

as the camera panned around, I half expected to see Obi Wan and Han Solo at a table in the corner negotiating business arrangements on the milennium falcon...

on a more serious note, y'all sound awesome! Thanks for adding your favorable 2 cents to the original question!

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#252039 - 05/30/14 06:14 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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Lawrie, Love the vid'...having fun is what it's all about. Thanks for posting - I could almost smell the surf and hear the waves crash.
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#252097 - 05/30/14 09:58 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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Hi Pat,
some of the people that come I could almost agree about Obi Wan and Han wink

Thanks for the lovely compliment about our playing too. Jack, on the bass, has been playing for so long I think he knows every tune that's ever been written! Vince, clarinet (and sax) has played for a very long time too - I've learned a lot just from litening to these two guys.

Our normal bass player, Ian, also plays a bunch of other instruments, including a button accordeon that he sometimes brings. "La Vie en Rose" never sounded so good wink

Rob, usual drummer (not in the vid), played in the RAN for decades. He knows 'em all too and has a great feel, but he sure can be a grumpy old b@stard laugh

Peter on the guitar - I actually don't know a lot about him, but he's pretty good too.

Lorant on the piano - he's been around so long I think he WROTE all the tunes Jack knows laugh He plays a mean guitar too.

These guys were great for me to get a start with.

Brian, trumpet, is a little like me - really just getting started at improv but I must say, he's improving quickly - that vid is getting on now and he has clearly been putting in work since it was taken.

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Hi Sonny Ray,
the venue is really good - where we play you don't normally hear the surf, we're right on the beach but about 7 or 8 metres above it so the sound seems to dissipate - it's not normally heavy surf anyway.

The beach is called Macmasters Beach and is on the NSW Central Coast. Takes me about 20 minutes to drive there from where I live.

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Hey Musiclover,
I'd like to mention that there is an enormous difference playing to a live audience than any other environment - you get feedback from the crowd.

Sometimes it's really mild and you think "Nope, I haven't connected" and other times they clap and cheer, or better still, get up and dance (that's my favourite!). The interaction between you and them can really change how a gig goes down - every one is different.

A good crowd can really inspire your playing and you come up with lines you had no idea were in you, other crowds can make you feel like the sound is just "dribbling down your chin"

I encourage you to get out there. If you're most comfortable as a solo artist, find a quiet spot for a start and go busking. If you have a couple of mates you could go out with to play you'll gain courage from the company. It's the first time or 2 that take a little effort to get over the nerves, after that it's pure enjoyment!

'Ave a go mate!
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#252100 - 05/30/14 10:16 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Is there a"too old" to start gigging? [Re: musiclover]
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Wow Lawrie, you guys sound great and look like you're having a blast doing it! Sounded like you came right off Bourbon Street. And what a heavenly spot to play in.


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