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#255895 - 07/09/14 10:06 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Newbie
Douglas Murphy Offline
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Hello There.

Recently purchased BIAB 2014 [300$ one]and getting a feel for it.
Have used a real track and created an original song, selecting a "solo" and adding vocals.

What I am trying to figure out, with the help of the user's guide and playing around, is:

1. after recording the vocals how come I cannot find the track it is on?

2. what type of file do I have to save it as in order to copy it into a DAW Real Band, for example, or MixCraft,

3. how do I actually copy the completed song into a DAW? and

4. will I be able to mix everything down? [The tracks are or will be separate correct?]

Douglas

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#255903 - 07/09/14 10:53 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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Douglas, welcome to the forum.

BIAB has only one audio track, called Audio, and that's where your one recording of a vocal would be. If you want to record more than one audio track, you can do that in the free program, RealBand that comes with your package. Or, you can do the rest of the recording in your DAW.

Yes, you can do what is called "Drag 'n Drop" to take your individual tracks into your DAW of choice. There are several ways to save BIAB tracks or files, so I would defer to someone else here who has Mixcraft.
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#255920 - 07/10/14 06:21 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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Thank you.

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#255959 - 07/10/14 06:52 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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In Realband, first thing to try is simply opening the BiaB file in RB. Leaves a lot of options open that way.
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#256165 - 07/12/14 08:10 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: rharv]
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Originally Posted By: rharv
In Realband, first thing to try is simply opening the BiaB file in RB. Leaves a lot of options open that way.


Exactly how I work. Lots of unused tracks to grab and use for whatever you need.
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#257173 - 07/22/14 07:48 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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Right there with you Douglas. I just got my BIAB/RB package the other day too. Learning curve is steep but fun. Just when I think I will beat my head with a hammer, I read a post like this one and gain another notch. Kind of like learning guitar. Going slow and not getting too excited. Although there is much to be excited about! I have learned to try stuff, read, try again, read, keep plugging. For some it might be like fly fishing and they have the skill to sneak right up on the suckers and present the fly right by a floating leaf. For me it is still like fishing with a Dupont lure (1/2 stick dynamite)! Heh.
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#257176 - 07/22/14 08:07 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
Originally Posted By: rharv
In Realband, first thing to try is simply opening the BiaB file in RB. Leaves a lot of options open that way.


Exactly how I work. Lots of unused tracks to grab and use for whatever you need.


So then for instance, it would be okay to make a biab guitar track in the chosen style or even a band, save that as a biab song, then go open RB and load the song. Then add other stuff like vocals or other instruments. Something like that?
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#257180 - 07/22/14 11:39 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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You could do that, by doing what is called Rendering the song to audio and opening that audio file in RealBand. Or, do what I think is easier and gives you more control: RealBand will open the BIAB song and you will have everything there that you had in RealBand. Then you have control over all individual tracks.
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#257233 - 07/23/14 10:28 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: George Ireton]
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Yes. Band in a Box songs open in real band and you can add vocals, new instruments, regenerate the BIAB instruments or even small sections of them to fix a section that may not sound exactly as you want or is not hitting the correct notes. You can also generate several tracks of the same instrument, cut and paste your favorite parts from each of the tracks to create a unique track from the sum of the parts. Or, you can cut and paste sections from several different instruments to create a medley.

As with all things musical, the boundaries are imagination, talent and budget.

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#257257 - 07/23/14 02:52 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: George Ireton]
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Originally Posted By: George Ireton
Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
Originally Posted By: rharv
In Realband, first thing to try is simply opening the BiaB file in RB. Leaves a lot of options open that way.


Exactly how I work. Lots of unused tracks to grab and use for whatever you need.


So then for instance, it would be okay to make a biab guitar track in the chosen style or even a band, save that as a biab song, then go open RB and load the song. Then add other stuff like vocals or other instruments. Something like that?


Yes. Pick a style in BiaB (BB) that is as close as possible to the way you hear the song in your head.

Simply save it in BB and close the program. Open Real Band (RB) and open the BB file.

Hint: when I start to work on a song and find that things are coming together, I will create a unique folder for THAT song project and store it in another folder on my desktop I call Song Tank 2014. I have one for every year. All songs, projects and simple ideas go in there.

OK.... so you open the file in RB. RB will now render all the existing tracks of the instruments into their real band counterparts. Up to this point I have not recorded any vocals even though I may have been working on them. They stay in my head until nearer the end.

Once the tracks render into audio waves, you can now select the entire track on one of the waves and click on an unused track below the filled ones. You can use RB at this point to create a unique new instrument. For example if the style is LA HARD ROCK, it will have bass, drums and guitars in it. Say you want to add a dobro, a steel, a fiddle or a B3 organ.... this is where you can add those. As many as you wish. You can also record the vocals into the open tracks.

My next step is to export ALL the tracks from RB one by one into that folder I mentioned earlier and import them into Sonar where I do all my live recording tracks and also the mixing and mastering process. Since RB is a DAW, you can take the time to learn the DAW and use it to do the recording of live tracks and the mixing/mastering without needing to buy a different DAW.
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#257656 - 07/27/14 03:23 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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Hi, Douglas !

I use Mixcraft 6 !
The way I have done is rendering the biab sgu file to wav
with the option to save each track separately.
After this I take each track into Mixcraft by using
the option open sound file (in Mixcraft) . After you have
copied each track to Mixcraft, you can do whatever you
like with them ! Hope this helped ?

Cheers
Dani

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#260797 - 08/29/14 04:15 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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Hello Guitarhacker,

I was just about asking the same question as Douglas - which program to use for recordings (Biab or RB). I've composed a song using Biab; now I will give a try -following your instructions above- and add some real instrument recordings in RB. Let's see what I get out of it.

Regards,
sep...

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#260812 - 08/29/14 06:42 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Douglas Murphy]
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It's the logical next step; you can still use most BiaB features but now you want to start adding audio tracks .. to me RB is what makes the package so powerful. You can work in a DAW while retaining regenerating and other features.

I hope you enjoy it. RB may need a little more attention to settings than BiaB, because of the extra options, but well worth setting up and using.

There is a separate Realband forum section on this site if ya get stuck along the way.


Edited by rharv (08/29/14 06:43 PM)
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#260845 - 08/30/14 08:29 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: dwebert]
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Originally Posted By: sep57u60
Hello Guitarhacker,

I was just about asking the same question as Douglas - which program to use for recordings (Biab or RB). I've composed a song using Biab; now I will give a try -following your instructions above- and add some real instrument recordings in RB. Let's see what I get out of it.

Regards,
sep...


click on my signature..... then on MY MUSIC and listen to what can be done using the method I described. Every song on my site was done in this manner... (well most of them because there are some exceptions.)
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#260853 - 08/30/14 11:38 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Newbie [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Great points Herb.
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