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Good news is:
reports of the dead DAW were greatly exaggerated. She lives... I have backed up onto an external drive the entire 3 HDs in the machine.
Bad news is:
Tomorrow I will wipe the hard drives, reinstall Win7 along with the Dell Recovery Drivers. While everything is still there, with the registry totally lost to an SSD drive which will not boot, little of it works. Even BIAB will not run due to the antipiracy placed in the registry.
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I do believe I can rebuild all the drives as I should have all my programs available to me.
Bad News:
But I am not kidding myself it will not be easy. Finding all the old passwords for install my be difficult. Some vendors only allow limited installs.
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Suggestion... When you get your new computer, if you can, also get an external hard drive; the bigger the better; then save all of your music files to it. That way next time you have to get a new computer, you will only need to reinstall the music programs you use and then plug in the external hard drive. This is also good as when the external gets full you can just unplug and start with a new one.
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Suggestion #2: Often new computers offer space for more than two harddisks. Many include a RAID controller. RAID controllers can have different settings. Select the setting that constantly mirrors your boot drive. If one drive goes bad you have instant access to the other.
This suggestion is not supposed to override PGFantastics's suggestion.
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A caveat to add to GHinCH's RAID suggestion. If the onboard RAID controller is an Intel, then don't waste your time.
I am a GREAT fan of RAID - I won't sell my customers a server that doesn't have it, but I WILL NOT use that pitiful excuse Intel call their on board RAID "controller". In my personal experience as a professional network integrator I've found it is FAR more trouble than it's worth - far too unreliable, constantly dropping perfectly good drives from arrays.
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Since I am reloading everything I thought why not go for Win 8.1
- wait, no win 8/8.1 drivers available from M-Audio for the Audiophle 192! Add me to the list of unhappy campers for this great card from a company which doesn't provide support for it.
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Suggestion #2: Often new computers offer space for more than two harddisks. Many include a RAID controller. My 5 years old Dell has three HD's in it. But a RAID would be cost prohibitive for a home system. Not to mention the fact that a man has to know his limitations. I can only keep up (or want to keep up) with so much of this technology.
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Suggestion... When you get your new computer, if you can, also get an external hard drive; the bigger the better; then save all of your music files to it. Of couse, I got that covered with a 1TB eSATA. All my music files are backed up but, with three internal drives and the problem being the boot drive failure I just did not have a adequate backup of the registry to replace the boot drive. I will try to do something different going forward but this is a little hairy for his old boy...
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Have I said thanks for all the advice? Thanks! 
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Jazzmandan, my thoughts contradict some already posted. Do not keep your backup drive in or connected to your computer. If it is connected a brown out or power surge can wipe both drives out. Do a complete disc image/backup on your external HD, disconnect it, and store it on a shelf someplace.
You may have already known this but I thought that I should bring it up.
Good luck!
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Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Do a complete disc image/backup on your external HD, disconnect it, and store it on a shelf someplace. Good luck!
Yes, exactly. So far so good. SSD removed, Win 7 re-installed, Dell drivers all installed. First program to install is virus protection going on right now. Next I may try to bring BIAB back to life. The whole BIAB files still sit on the remaining internal HD. Will have to see what happens when I run it since there will be nothing in the registry.
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Do a complete disc image/backup on your external HD, disconnect it, and store it on a shelf someplace. Good luck!
Yes, exactly. So far so good. SSD removed, Win 7 re-installed, Dell drivers all installed. First program to install is virus protection going on right now. Next I may try to bring BIAB back to life. The whole BIAB files still sit on the remaining internal HD. Will have to see what happens when I run it since there will be nothing in the registry. I would think that BiaB/RB would be ok but the DXis would not be registered. I think you would have to reload them if you use them.
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Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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I would think that BiaB/RB would be ok but the DXis would not be registered. I think you would have to reload them if you use them. Right you are! No midi at first just realdrums. So with CoyoteForte Dxi now install sounds great, but only in the left monitor???  Hold it after 10 minutes of checking all the software configurations, I realize I did not turn on the power swithch to the right monitor.  All ok now. Are we having fun yet?
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THIRTY MINUTES INTO SAVING AN IMAGE TO AN EXTERNAL DRIVE, THE MACHINE HAS FROZE. LIGHTS TO THE USB KEYBOARD AND THE MOUSE ARE OUT. SAME AS WHEN THE WHOLE REBUILD STARTED.
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Take the computer to a dependable computer store and have them check out the power supply. That would be the first thing that I would do.
If it's ok then do a thorough disc scan and ram scan.
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An afterthought, how dirty is the inside of your computer? Dust around the CPU and/or fans can cause over heating with time. If left dirty it can also cause major problems with the mother board.
If your is clean please disregard this message.
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Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Mario, I appreciate any suggestions. Right now I am just sitting back and letting it run to see if the freeze is going to be as much of a problem as it was when I started. I have BIAB up and running - about the only thing on the machine.
If the freeze is consistent and returns then nothing else to do but take it to geek squad. It is certainly worth $100 of their trouble shooting on possible power/ ram problems. And I have done all I can do.
I have tentatively ID'ed my new purchase but it is really hard for me to pull the trigger. Too many years of scrimping and saving to keep my family in the life style they have grown accustomed to, to spend anything on myself.
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This sounds more and more like power supply. As I mentioned early in this thread, you can buy a tester for $20. But Mario is also onto a good point: even with a good power supply, a case clogged with dust would also cause a shut down after being on awhile.
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Given I cannot see the machine, my first thought would be dust in the CPU heatsink.
When the machine is pretty much idle it runs OK, BUT during a clone the CPU is doing quite a bit of work, thus it generates more heat. More heat combined with a partially or completely clogged CPU heatsink will result in, depending on BIOS, a thermal shutdown or errors and finally a lockup.
Given your registry had become corrupted (in the original drive) I consider this evidence of an overheating CPU.
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Before you take it in for repair, some additional things to look for:
Agree with Mario, dust bunnies are a killer.
Are all your fans rotating and do you feel air movement from each one? Sometimes a fan will turn but there's so much dust covering the blades the blades don't move air.
Powered down and power chord disconnected, does it rattle if you gently shake it? One loose screw can REALLY be aggravating to find.
Unplug and replug all connections. One may look properly locked in place but may have worked loose.
Use your fingers to trace all cabling looking for knicks by feel.
Look closely at the round motherboard capacitors. If any are discolored or split, you just found your issue!
Test ram using open source software like memtest.
If all that passes muster, the options have been considerably narrowed. Likely culprits include power supply and cpu.
Capacitors degrade with use and age so power supply would be my first choice. I've had several check out good but still cause freeze-ups. A Dell compatible third party replacement is less than $50. Four screws and swapping cables takes about 15 minutes.
Dell had a manufacturing issue off and on for a number of years where the thermal paste used between the cpu and heat sink evaporated causing the cpu to overheat and freeze-up. If you take it to a shop have them reapply the thermal paste.
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An afterthought, how dirty is the inside of your computer? Dust around the CPU and/or fans can cause over heating with time. If left dirty it can also cause major problems with the mother board.
If your is clean please disregard this message.
DAW is back from Tiger-Direct Shop and they claim the fix is in. Over heated CPU due to dirt and grim which had accumulated . They disassembled the fan/heatsink cleaned and reapplied thermal paste. I am so embarrassed. I do generally keep a clean studio. Mario, you win the prize! You win my utmost respect. You can take that to the bar and if you throw in a few bucks have a beer on me. 
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