Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#277598 - 01/02/15 01:35 AM [User Showcase] Love's Forgotton Song
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
I've been absent for a while, but I was stuck sick at home today with a copy of BiaB 2015...

What else to do, but write a song? laugh

Love's Forgotten Song
dreams are only for the young
bright sun as the day's begun
like an open road right in front of us
past the ever bright star
here we are

lovers and the closest friends
once gone never coming back again
you held your hand in mine only yesterday
now that memory is all that remains

so we somehow came apart
still you live in my secret heart
holding deep inside the saddest part of me
i can never quite say goodbye, goodbye

words to our forgotten song
once known but now we sing it wrong
now we can't recall that sweet melody
only comes to me now in my dreams

Song info:
Style is _B140GTB.STY (Bossa Brazilian Quartet (140 RS))
~464:Bass, Acoustic, Bossa Ev 140
~470:Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Bossa Ev 140
~467:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Bossa Ev 140
704:Flute, Soloist Bossa Ev 140
BossaBrushes: a: Sidestick Brushes b: Sidestick, Ride

I was originally inspired by R & AM's track 2015 but I ended finding a Bossa Nova RealTrack I liked, so went that route instead. The chord progression is auto-generate using the Melodist feature.

I tried auto-generating some melodies, but nothing struck my fancy, so I went into notation mode and clicked and dragged notes until it sounded melodic. No doubt I've accidentally copied something from a distant memory...

I listened to the song in loop mode and started typing words to fit the syllables - not the typical way I work, but it was apparently quite successful for Phil Collins. I was thinking about those subtitled foreign films, where the lyrics are "proper" English, but feel a bit "stiff"... I think I succeeded! wink

I printed out the melody from BiaB, and entered the melody into Vocaloid. I tweaked it in some places to fit the words a bit better, and then exported .wav files.

I exported the backing tracks from BiaB as .wav files as well, and built the mix in Reaper. The flute solo was cut-and-pasted together, and I fiddled with the mix for a while until ennui settled in.

Then I struggled for a while with SoundCloud, until it decided it wanted to play nice again.

As always, any comment is welcome (although given my extended absence, undeserved). The tempo is probably a bit too fast, and the rhythm stilted in places, but hey...
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277678 - 01/02/15 10:37 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
SpaceDog Offline
Expert

Registered: 04/01/11
Posts: 953
Loc: Maryland
Dave,
Very pleasant tune and arrangement. I hope you feel better soon.
SD

Top
#277712 - 01/02/15 11:52 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: SpaceDog]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Thanks, SD!

I'm doing better (just a cold), but now I'm fighting SoundCloud, which has again decided not to play back tracks that BiaB folk have posted. It's gotten irritating enough that I finally sent it a support ticket...

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277715 - 01/02/15 11:58 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
PgFantastic Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2646
Loc: Kentucky
Beautiful song, vocal is superb. thanks for sharing!
_________________________
My Tunes

Psalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.

Top
#277764 - 01/02/15 02:19 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Thanks, Robert.

It was a bit of a challenge to get Avanna to sing "young". It was correct phonetically (j V N, in case you're curious), but different vowels on the preceding word would make her sing "yahng". There are still some words (like "open") that I could go back and tweak, but I should probably leave it alone now.

By the way, I'm still trying to get SoundCloud to play songs (such as your song Peace), but I'm not having any luck. It seems to be hit or miss what SoundCloud is going to play.

I've tried 3 different web browsers and a Chromebook, with no luck on any of them. I got an auto-response from SoundCloud to the effect of "check your browser and make sure you're up to date", which isn't the issue. Since I have similar issues from my work environment, I suspect it's a geographic issue. In any event, I hope they get this resolved soon!

Thanks again!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277767 - 01/02/15 02:56 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Janice & Bud Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 6095
Loc: GA USA
David, that first verse grabbed us
immediately. Great lyric! How you
folks are able to do such impressive
work with the vocaloid never ceases
to amaze.

The comped flute track works really
well.

It all worked for us. Nice!!

J&B
_________________________
Never grow up...it's a trap.
Our 2018 album release
J&B YouTube Sampler
J&B Website

Top
#277783 - 01/02/15 04:00 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Janice & Bud]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Hi, Janice and Bud.

I'm glad you liked it. The Vocaloid software does most of the work, it's just a matter of convincing the program to sing the words the right way!

Sometimes that turns out to be much harder than it should. I hear there's a new English singing Vocaloid in the works that has an American provider, but from what I've heard, the vocal has a much harder edge than what I'm looking for.

Of course, it's nothing like the vocals on your tracks, but it's a lot better than nothing at all! You two keep blowing me away with your bluesy songs.

Thanks!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277784 - 01/02/15 04:18 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Greg Johnson Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/21/13
Posts: 4178
Loc: Davis, CA
You write such pretty songs with some great lyrics! I feel you should get a live vocalist to really show them off. Flute solo works beautifully as do the instrument tracks. Cool song!! Take care. Greg

Top
#277790 - 01/02/15 04:42 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
boehm Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/22/12
Posts: 2868
Loc: Karlsruhe, Germany
Hi David,

nice tune and arrangement. I especially like the repeated parts.
I know about the pronunciation problems of Avanna.
The flute is a hit.
Wish you get along with your own synthetic singer.

Guenter
_________________________
http://www.21d.de/
Latest Song: What You Desire

Top
#277812 - 01/02/15 06:46 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Charlie Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 4523
Loc: South Carolina
Sounds really good. The tone of Avanna combined with the melody and instruments you've chosen seems to remind me of something I would hear in an early James Bond movie.

Nice song. I enjoyed listening.

Charlie
_________________________
BiaB Ultra Pak 2018:RB 2018 Build 5

Top
#277817 - 01/02/15 06:59 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
BruceI Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 01/23/09
Posts: 103
Loc: Massachusetts
This is a great sounding track, the first Vocaloid example I think I have heard. It's different, not quite human of course, but quite a pleasant instrument. Much like BIAB RealTracks in a way - if you work at it, the results are often better than you could realistically expect! I was sorta hoping that when the AI's and robots finally become our overlords that we humans would at least keep the singing and songwriting gig, but I guess not. smile

The melody and arrangement (auto chords?!?) are very nice and the flute part really rocks. Unusual process but it worked well!

Thanks,
Bruce
_________________________
SoundCloud
Blog: Music of the Spheres
Tools: BIAB 2015, Sonar X3, various iPhone/iPad apps

Top
#277821 - 01/02/15 07:09 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Greg Johnson]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: Greg Johnson
You write such pretty songs with some great lyrics! I feel you should get a live vocalist to really show them off.

Hi, Greg.
Yes, I'd love to have a real vocalist!

But I'll confess that it's nice to be able to revise lyrics at two o'clock in the in the morning and not wake anyone up. wink

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277823 - 01/02/15 07:16 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: boehm]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: boehm

Wish you get along with your own synthetic singer.

Hi, Guenter.

Yeah, we fight all the time. laugh

But really, I'm hoping I'll get some time to work on synSinger later this month. I've already put together a prototype to test out a new approach. So far, the results are encouraging.

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277828 - 01/02/15 07:33 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Charlie Fogle]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Hi, Charlie.

I really like the tone of Avanna - voice provider and development team did an awesome job.

Apparently there's a female Vocaloid with an American voice provider in the works, but she's got a harder edge to the vocals.

Thanks for the positive feedback.

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277829 - 01/02/15 07:45 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: BruceI]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: BruceI
This is a great sounding track, the first Vocaloid example I think I have heard.

Hi, Bruce.

If you're curious, here are a couple more - The Gates of Babylon and Memory Eternal.

Quote:
The melody and arrangement (auto chords?!?) are very nice and the flute part really rocks. Unusual process but it worked well!

Thanks!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277841 - 01/02/15 09:22 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Carolyne Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 12/08/09
Posts: 213
Loc: California
Hi David,
Took a listen to Love's Forgotten Song. Wow...Love it. Killer arrangement! Fun Tempo, original. Great lyric!
Carolyne


Edited by Carolyne (01/02/15 09:23 PM)

Top
#277845 - 01/02/15 10:03 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Carolyne]
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 2363
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: Carolyne
Wow...Love it. Killer arrangement!

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I try to make sure there's a distinct change between the various parts, and dropping the drums on the fourth verse was pretty effective. I thing the vocals on the last verse might be a bit low, but I've got to stop fiddling with it at some point. laugh

If you listen, you'll note there's a lot of ducking the piano and guitar under the vocal as well. As lovely as BiaB instruments are, Vocaloids are difficult to understand in the best of times, so I only pull those instruments up during breaks in the vocal or on held syllables... A lot of micro-editing!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277867 - 01/03/15 02:41 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
FredM Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 11/15/14
Posts: 306
Loc: Belgium
Hi David,
Like the chill out atmosphere. Nice songwriting.
Enjoyed it !
Fred

Top
#277890 - 01/03/15 06:46 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
floyd jane Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 6156
Loc: Florida
"...I was thinking about those subtitled foreign films, where the lyrics are "proper" English, but feel a bit "stiff"... I think I succeeded!"

that is EXACTLY what I thought as I listened!!

The arrangement and mix are terrific - although the "drop" of the instrument levels was "noticeable". Leaving the drums out was an excellent effect. Lowering the piano, sounded like..lowering a piano track. Perhaps it would better to drop it, too and let the guitar take that one alone?...

I enjoy reading what your process is. It's interesting and different - and effective.

I listened a number of times.. and enjoyed it.

One last thing... YOU should be singing your songs. The "girls" are very impressive. But you are better.

floyd
_________________________
125+ BIAB Songs

Top
#277899 - 01/03/15 07:32 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
gibson Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 3068
Loc: wales
David,

Them cold bugs produced a wonderful song.

I am fascinated by your, and Guenter's,productions with synthvoices. This shows them to perfection.

Nice tune by the way.

I look forward to more.

Alyn
_________________________
My showcase songs


Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >


PG Music News
#TBT - The First Audiophile Edition

A blast from the past... the introduction of the Audiophile Edition with Band-in-a-Box 2008.5!

The first Audiophile purchase included the WAV files for all the RealTracks & RealDrums that were available at that time: RealTracks Sets 1-9 and RealDrums Sets 1-20. It shipped pre-installed on a 250GB USB hard drive - take a look...

Wondering what else was introduced with Band-in-a-Box 2008.5? Click here to see the "Band-in-a-Box 2008.5 New Features List."

RealBand 2018 Interactive Online Upgrade Manual Available!

The newest addition to our Online Manuals support page is the RealBand 2018 New Features Guide!

Just like the other Online Manuals now available on our Support page, this Upgrade Manual can be easily navigated by chapter, or using the main Table of Contents window!

New Interactive Online Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Manual for Mac!

We've added an Online Manuals option to our Support page, where you can access an interactive online Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac User's Guide!

The Online Manual can be easily navigated by chapter, or using the main Table of Contents window! Also available on our Online Manuals page is the PDF files for Band-in-a-Box® 2017-2018 Full manuals & Upgrade manuals.

User Feedback - Run as Administrator

Our Forum is a great resource for all your Band-in-a-Box questions (and a GREAT place to connect with other program users!)

Among the many forums available, we have a User-to-User Tips & Tricks forum - perfect for sharing your own technical tips and tricks for any PG Music product!

Like the recent post by jford: You Should Run BIAB and RealBand As Administrator!

Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest - Over 25 Entries!

We recently launched an Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest with 4 prizes of $150!

So far, there are more than 25 entries! Have a listen to these entries and submit your own song here.

Contest Rules:
-You must own Band-in-a-Box® 2018 along with one or more of the Xtra Styles PAK 5 packages (Country, Jazz, Rock-Pop, MIDI)
-The song you submit must be your own original composition. This could be simply typing in chords to your song and pressing play, but you may also add additional instruments, solo, and/or melody.
-Public domain songs will be accepted.
-Multiple entries are permitted.
-Submit your song to the "Xtra Styles 5 Contest" forum, before the deadline. (This contest runs until September 30th)

For complete information on this contest, click here.

New Online Band-in-a-Box and RealBand Manuals

Do you hate digging around for manuals as much as I do? Now you can access the most recent Band-in-a-Box® and RealBand manuals with just a few clicks on the new Online Manuals section of our website.

The PDF manuals for version 2017 and 2018 are available now. Plus, we're adding online versions of these manuals too! The Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Windows User's Guide is complete, and the Mac User's Guide will be coming very soon. We're even adding a search feature to make it even easier for you to find features that you are looking for - stay tuned!

You Could Win $150 PG Bucks with our Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest!

Want to WIN $150 PG Bucks? Join the entries already submitted into our Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest! When the contest closes on September 30th, we will be picking 4 winners (1 per genre)!

What you need:
-Band-in-a-Box® 2018 UltraPAK or Audiophile Edition
-Xtra Styles PAK 5 Windows | Mac
-a song written using one of the 160+ fully-mixed Styles included in your Xtra Styles PAK 5 purchase.

Complete contest rules list here.

Forum Stats
27960 Members
57 Forums
53928 Topics
445392 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
Bart Vervaeck, kelvinnebs, goldensleather, davidjeams, lazeguy

27963 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Alyssa - PG Music 506
David Snyder 146
Al-David 140
MarioD 126
Deryk - PG Music 115
Janice & Bud 101
Matt Finley 101
Jim Fogle 97
floyd jane 96
VideoTrack 94
Today's Birthdays
gfclef, Hans Hess, Henry Nurdin