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#278852 - 01/08/15 01:55 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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I actually like that music and have a lot of respect for the really talented DJs who can work the crowd into a frenzy.

Different genre, different audience, different world (and it isn't mine)

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#278854 - 01/08/15 01:59 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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#278876 - 01/08/15 04:07 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: jazzmammal]
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Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
Nope, strongly disagree. Did you read the bio and look at the course of the guy at Berklee? The name of the course is Using A Turntable As A Musical Instrument". Now I know just because a college professor says so doesn't make it so but still, this isn't the first time I've seen courses like this being offered. And this isn't something new, these courses have been around for years.


What do you think about the Blue Man Group? They play pieces of PVC tubing and other such things. If a musician is one who plays an instrument, by that definition they are not musicians. Again, goes to my point, they are entertainers rather than musicians.
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#278902 - 01/08/15 05:56 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Robh]
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Robh,

This one has been on my playlist for a while, I love it.

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#278903 - 01/08/15 05:59 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: eddie1261]
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they are entertainers rather than musicians.


I agree with Eddie.

A turntable isn't a musical instrument. There's no shame in being an entertainer, so its not a put down to call them that. As far as the Dj's who do play musical instruments, when they're playing actual musical instruments, they're being musicians. When they're messing with their turntables, they're being entertainers.

Based on today's appetite, they'll probably get more bookings as DJ's.
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#278918 - 01/08/15 08:32 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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I have no problem whatsoever thinking of myself as an entertainer...

until people start pointing out that clowns are entertainers wink

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#278975 - 01/09/15 06:43 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Notes Norton]
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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
DJs are not musicians, A musician is a person who plays a musical instrument. There are bad musicians and good musicians. You don't have to play first violin in the Cleveland Orchestra to be a musician.


That's how I see it....pretty simple to me.
DJ's are entertainers mixing up what others have written for a specific venue/crowd.
A turntable does not qualify as a musical instrument from my perspective.
I see it as a music medium....a method to convey what musicians have actually recorded.

EDIT: Based on some opinions that means radio DJ's are musicians too?....I don't think so.

Could it be said they're in a sort of derivative genre?
I don't know....it's early and I need more coffee.

Lots of various opinions without a doubt.

Feliz Viernes to all....


Edited by chulaivet1966 (01/09/15 07:45 AM)
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#278988 - 01/09/15 07:35 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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OK, I've taken your advice and watched some very creative DJs, but IMO the turntable is not a musical instrument and they are not musicians. They are entertainers though.

Rappers who don't sing are not singers either.

We have to be careful with our language. New things need new terms, or the language loses it's meaning.

Example: Awesome used to be reserved for things that were truly awe inspiring. Now I hear people saying, "Your new shoelaces are awesome."

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#279049 - 01/09/15 11:26 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Notes Norton]
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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
"Your new shoelaces are awesome."


Not to mention cra-cra adorbs.....
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#279061 - 01/09/15 01:07 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Notes Norton]
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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
OK, I've taken your advice and watched some very creative DJs, but IMO the turntable is not a musical instrument and they are not musicians. They are entertainers though.

Rappers who don't sing are not singers either.

We have to be careful with our language. New things need new terms, or the language loses it's meaning.

Example: Awesome used to be reserved for things that were truly awe inspiring. Now I hear people saying, "Your new shoelaces are awesome."

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Extremely well articulated, Bob. 100%
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#279066 - 01/09/15 01:29 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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What really matters is what does the audience think. We've all said that for years, we play for the audience and if they want to hear Marguerittaville or the Chicken Dance I'll do it even though I hate it if that's what the gig calls for.

Well, all you have to do is listen to or watch some of the shows concerning modern music and they all refer to these people as musicians. It's definitely part of the language now, all these DJ's, EDM types, and other people doing these shows are referred to as musicians. To me that's the end of the story. For us as old timers discussing amongst ourselves oh no they're not, is nice but completely irrelevant.

That train has left the station, the people who count say they're musicians so they're musicians. Like you just said Notes, the language changes. We're going to be the Lone Stranger standing at the rim of the Grand Canyon screaming into the void all by ourselves "No they're not, dammit!!"

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#279077 - 01/09/15 02:38 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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I just watched a couple of avicii live videos and I can not believe how wild the crowd goes. It really is just a big event to drive the crowd to ecstasy.

I like the song/video "Wake Me Up" and I am trying to be "hip" (ha, ha), but I just don't get the crowds going that nuts over recorded music being mastered/DJ'd by one person. Now if I was trying to score drugs and pick up women, I can tell that is the place to be!
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#279078 - 01/09/15 03:00 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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“they all refer to these people as musicians...”

"They" could just as well refer to these people as ducks. It still wouldn't make them ducks.

“...It's definitely part of the language now ...”

No, actually it is colloquial, not really part of the language.

“the people who count say they're musicians so they're musicians...”

Just who are 'the people who count'? Some Millennial cretins writing blogs from their mom's basement? grin

You're free to define it any way you choose, Bob. I just disagree.


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#279098 - 01/09/15 05:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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I where the "entertainer" badge with honor when ever it is used to describe me or my shows/sets.

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#279172 - 01/10/15 06:40 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here's how the restaurants and bars feel about musicians...even when they do pay them. [Re: Joe V]
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It's part of the language now? Not if you look in the dictionary.

And when you abuse the language like that, you hinder communication.

My previous example of "Awesome". If your new shoe laces are "awesome" what word will you use if you see something really awe inspiring?

If you do see something truly awesome and use that word, you are comparing the truly awesome to shoe laces.

Example: So if you see a guitarist play the entire 7th symphony from Shostakovitch on an acoustic guitar without missing or leaving out a note, and you say, "Man, that was awesome" you are saying that was just as good as a pair of shoe laces.

A DJ is a DJ, a musician is a musician. If we call the DJ a musician, pretty soon anyone who plays an mp3 file, or sticks a CD into a changer becomes a musician.

There is a difference between a DJ and a musician. An accomplished musician is someone who plays an instrument that can read sheet music. Stick the music for something as simple as "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" in front of the DJ and the most accomplished DJ in the world can not play it unless he buys a recording that someone else has played.

So if we call DJs musicians, how do we differentiate between the person who cannot play "On Top Of Old Smokey" or "Fur Elise" or "Symphony #9: From The New World" or "Louie Louie"?????????

No, calling DJ's musicians is as wrong as calling a musician a DJ. There is a difference and it abuses the language to call the DJ a musician.

I know language evolves, and I'm certainly not opposed to new words and the growth of language. What I am against is the kind of abuse that hinders communication.

Aspirin reduces muscle pain. So does ibuprofen. If you call them both aspirin, and someone has a fatal allergy to ibuprofen, how does that person choose the product that will save his/her life from the product that will get rid of his/her aching biceps?

No, a DJ is not a musician. A DJ is someone who plays recordings and may accompany them with sounds from his/her equipment.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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