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41: Fix the missing graphics on the Piano Roll window

This is known to PGM since I have reported it directly to Support previously, and it was acknowledged in January 2014

It's also shown in this thread from March 2014

A lot of effort goes into correctly determining, validating and reporting these issues. Disappointingly, still unattended to in 2015:

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42. The startup time.
This problem has been reported many times, and has gone worst with the last years. I'm getting startup times of 75 seg!

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=246334&page=1

43. The Minimize Window problem
Sometimes, when you minimize the main BAIB window, it's impossible to get it maximized again. Sometimes, it just happen after some minutes, but unfortunately, from time to time you need to end BIAB through the Task Manager (losing all the work you've done) simply because there's no way of getting a response from the program after minimizing it.

44. The BIAB preventing Windows from shutting down
Many times, when you close your windows session with BIAB open, the program, instead of asking you if you want to save your work before shutting down the system, shows the Chord Builder window (?) and just prevents the system from shutting down


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I think you need a new PC. Over the last 20 years the only problems I've experienced with BIAB have been caused by myself. #42- My BIAB boots up in 3 to 8 seconds. Faster than in BIAB 2014. Ray


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Originally Posted By: raymb1
I think you need a new PC. Over the last 20 years the only problems I've experienced with BIAB have been caused by myself. #42- My BIAB boots up in 3 to 8 seconds. Faster than in BIAB 2014. Ray


My PC is less than three years old, and runs flawlessly all kind of programs (many of them much more powerful than BIAB) without problems.

I've worked for several years as an IT technician and I really know how to tell a software problem from a hardware problem. Wich, in fact, is not very difficult in this case, since any kid with some familiarity in modern computing would immediately recognize several problems after working a little bit with BIAB.

On the other hand, if during the last 20 years of use the only problems you've experienced with BIAB were caused by yourself, that's because you're using BIAB in a very limited way, probably just writing a chord progression, choosing a style and pressing play. MANY bugs have been reported in this (and other) forum by MANY people, and only a couple of die hard fans here are constantly trying to deny the obvious fact that BIAB needs a lot bug fixing work.

ADD: There's nothing wrong with user-reported bugs, on the contrary, they are a great help for developers and an essential aspect of the software development process. In fact, many software companies have a dedicated Bug report forum in their web. There's no need to deny them.

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>>> 42. The startup time.
This problem has been reported many times, and has gone worst with the last years. I'm getting startup times of 75 seg!
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=246334&page=1

A few other users had a similar problem, and found that it was due to an anti-virus program. These programs can block or slow the running of a program.

Here's an example message of someone that had the problem
"I tweaked my MSE antivurus to ignore the BIAB program (BBW.EXE) and that dramatically improved my time. Maybe look at something like that."

>> I've worked for several years as an IT technician and I really know how to tell a software problem from a hardware problem.
- Sure, but once you determine that it's a software problem, you need to determine what piece of software is causing the problem.
My c:\bb\data\FlashMessageLog.txt file reports that my bootup time is 4.7 seconds.
- my Bootup time in millseconds =4,777 [3/2/2015 6:51:54 PM]

Please post the top 20 lines of your c:\bb\data\FlashMessageLog.txt file in a message


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Hi, Peter, nice you're reaading this thread.

Here are the first lines of FlashMessageLog.txt:

- Bootup time in millseconds =65,808 [02/03/2015 11:49:50]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =749. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 11:49:43]
**** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 11:49:43
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,695 [02/03/2015 5:06:37]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =80. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 5:06:37]
**** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 5:06:37
- Running Windows Notepad.exe to display file C:\BB\Data\FlashMessageLog.txt [02/03/2015 4:34:31]
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,194 [02/03/2015 4:29:50]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =78. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 4:29:49]
**** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 4:29:49
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =566. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 4:29:22]
**** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 4:29:21
- Bootup time in millseconds =37,859 [02/03/2015 3:33:59]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =218. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 3:33:55]
**** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 3:33:55
- Bootup time in millseconds =76,705 [01/03/2015 23:54:53]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =274. Plugins counted=26 [01/03/2015 23:54:47]
**** New Session started at : 01/03/2015 23:54:47
- Bootup time in millseconds =19,007 [24/02/2015 12:15:27]


I've just created an exclusion rule for BIAB in Kaspersky and will report the results here.


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Hi Cerio
Thanks for the information. I use Norton Internet Security. I generally don't have long boot times, and haven't made any special exceptions in NIS for BiaB (as far as I know)

It will be great to get your results.

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I was also experiencing extremely long startup times for BIAB (sometimes about a minute). I just excluded BBW.EXE from my virus scanner, and BIAB now launches much, much more quickly.

I wonder if it's because the program does not "reside" in the registry, nor is in the Program Files folder, and so the virus scanner handles it differently.


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>>> I just excluded BBW.EXE from my virus scanner, and BIAB now launches much, much more quickly.

Which virus scanner?


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Hi, Peter -

I use Trend Micro Internet Security 2015 (it used to be called PC-Cillin). I've used it for probably about 20 years now and have yet to get a virus on my or my wife's computer.

My FlashMessageLog.txt was showing bootup times of 40,000 to 70,000 milliseconds before excluding BBW.EXE. The variance seems to be how long between launches (which I suspect is related to computer caching).

After excluding it, it launches in about 20,000 milliseconds right after a re-boot down to about 5,000 milliseconds for launch time. Plugin-read time is and was relatively insignificant.


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Originally Posted By: PeterGannon
>>> I just excluded BBW.EXE from my virus scanner, and BIAB now launches much, much more quickly.

Which virus scanner?


Peter, I discovered a much faster BiaB launch when I excluded the BB folder in MS Essentials.

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My program runs from an SSD, so I'm not unhappy with my start times except for the first one after a reboot, but I'll try this, Mario. Thanks.


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Using Norton Internet Security 2015

Without excluding BBW.exe and BBW3.exe ~12,500mS
With excluding BBW.exe and BBW3.exe ~8,500mS


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Before excluding in Avast:

- Bootup time in millseconds =28,878 [3/4/2015 5:25:27 PM]

Afar excluding in Avast

- Bootup time in millseconds =7,044 [3/4/2015 5:42:20 PM]





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Originally Posted By: jazzmandan
Before excluding in Avast:

- Bootup time in millseconds =28,878 [3/4/2015 5:25:27 PM]

Afar excluding in Avast

- Bootup time in millseconds =7,044 [3/4/2015 5:42:20 PM]





Hi JMD, did you reboot the computer in between? First time starts tend to always be slower and subsequent starts on the same Windows session faster because of Windows caching.


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After excluding BIAB:

- Bootup time in millseconds =60,384 [04/03/2015 18:56:16]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =1,139. Plugins counted=26 [04/03/2015 18:56:04]
**** New Session started at : 04/03/2015 18:56:04
- Bootup time in millseconds =15,398 [03/03/2015 23:11:45]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =94. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 23:11:42]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 23:11:42
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,148 [03/03/2015 20:12:48]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =105. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 20:12:47]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 20:12:47
- Bootup time in millseconds =9,800 [03/03/2015 19:12:20]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =100. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 19:12:19]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 19:12:19
- Bootup time in millseconds =8,483 [03/03/2015 16:25:25]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =172. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 16:25:23]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 16:25:23
- Bootup time in millseconds =35,395 [03/03/2015 14:36:07]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =733. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 14:36:04]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 14:36:04
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,459 [03/03/2015 13:13:11]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =78. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 13:13:10]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 13:13:10
- Bootup time in millseconds =19,686 [03/03/2015 12:35:26]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =117. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 12:35:22]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 12:35:22
- Bootup time in millseconds =110,232 [03/03/2015 10:48:14]
- Time to Count Plugins in ms =655. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 10:48:08]
**** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 10:48:08


Using kasperspky Antivirus 2015 and BIAB 2015.415 here


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Hmmmmm
A little bit of unexplained variation there.

A few more internal diagnostics might help to narrow down?


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My boot-up times. The two high readings are when BIAB was opened for the first time of the day. Ray

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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

Hi JMD, did you reboot the computer in between? First time starts tend to always be slower and subsequent starts on the same Windows session faster because of Windows caching.


Ya, you are right on that. This item (long and variable startup time) has been around for a very long time. I no longer pay any attention to it. It is just what it is.


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