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Today and with previous files I have found that I am experiencing pops and crackles with my files.
I use BIAB for practise. I take a song form and work it around different keys, sometimes I fiddle a little with the structure.
After working a piece for several days I often find that the song crackles.
After investigation I have found that its not the latency on my Focusrite Liquid 56, My machine is a WIn7 64 Core i7 with 12 gig - so its not the CPU.
I do find that for BIAB I have to increase latency to 512 whereas Cubase 8 runs at 64.
I think after tweaking the file several times it gets corrupted and has to be abandoned. If I change the song I discovered the crackles go away - providing the sound device is set to 512.
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Perhaps not the same issue that I've seen but, based on my limited understanding, it could be the way that BIAB loads songs. My understanding is that BIAB continues to load songs when the "play" is first started, i.e. its not all loaded into memory at first, but continues loading while the song is playing....placing a higher load on your cpu.
On the other hand, your other DAW's, in your case, Cubase, and in mine, RB and Sonar, these loads the entire song into RAM first thing. Because of that, I've noticed that I need to run BIAB at much higher buffers than I need for "glitch" free sound in my other DAW's. Try running the same song in RB and see if there is a difference. YMMV.
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Jeff, If you need to with a slower computer, you can alter a checkbox in the RealTracks preferences for that. BIAB will go back to the old way of fully regenerating the song before playback starts.
Of course this does not apply to 00.
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Those pops and crackles don't sound right for your i7 machine. Something must be wrong in the setup. I never hear that stuff with BIAB. Check your interface drivers and restore BIAB to factory settings.
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For noise in audio, I would start by downloading the free utility, DPC Latency Checker. Follow the instructions on the website if you find anything. This will at least allow you to rule out bad drivers. People tend to forget how many times drivers get changed, sometimes without our knowing.
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I am away from my machine but will try the utilities. The crackles seem song specific seemingly after I have been working them thru 12 keys. If I rebuild the songs then the issue goes as long as I am in 512 latency. My driver is the latest. No other apps have problems with lower latency just biab. Thank you for the input.
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Those pops and crackles don't sound right for your i7 machine. Something must be wrong in the setup. I never hear that stuff with BIAB. Check your interface drivers and restore BIAB to factory settings. My thoughts exactly. The gear seems to be primo stuff. If the driver is ASIO and your settings are correct, you should have pristine playback. The fact that you have to change the latency settings says there's something not right with settings or drivers.
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The fact that you have to change the latency settings says there's something not right with settings or drivers. Maybe. I remember using Melodyne Editor when it came out, and I had to change latency settings quite dramatically to get that to not crash. All other programs worked fine with my 'normal' settings. So, it's not unheard of that one would have to make adjustments in latency settings for certain software.
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Hello Guys and thanks for the suggestions,
Giving the matter further experimentation, these crackles seem to be song file specific in BIAB, I do make a lot of changes in key - maybe 20 times a day or so for the same song. I think this is the culprit.
At present I am running with Audio device set to 512 and I am still getting crackles. These increase at lower settings.
I have had problems with files the more I tweak them. At one time 2015 I had a song change key - so a C key played as F#, the whokle song transposed (but not by any song setting). Nothing I could do would reset it, but once I dumped the file and went to new material the problem vanished. This seems also to be song file specific.
Everything is set up correctly in the DAW, no other application is effected.
I can live with it, there are workarounds. These songs are not really finished material, they are for chops, that's all.
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Also - to mention...
BIAB is the only 32 bit application on the machine. J bridge is installed but not in use. Synth is ForteDXI.
I am also suffering slow downs in tempo with the crackles in a kind of bottle neck then release way.
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I don't think 32-bit is related to your problem. I'm intrigued by the fact you have so many changes in the song; that sounds like you are onto something.
If the key changes are for woodshedding as you say, BIAB has a setting that can do that for you; perhaps that would solve this unique problem. EDIT: Noel gave the name of the feature in the next post.
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I have had problems with files the more I tweak them. At one time 2015 I had a song change key - so a C key played as F#, the whokle song transposed (but not by any song setting). Nothing I could do would reset it, but once I dumped the file and went to new material the problem vanished. This seems also to be song file specific. Zero, When I read the above it made me think of the "Audio Tranpose" setting in "Song Settings". It's right at the bottom of the list in ver. 2015. This could be worth checking out. Regards, Noel
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Also ... I've just searched through help for "undo" and found ... We added Multiple Undo support, up to 999 levels of Undo. There are new Reverb and Bass/Treble controls for each track, allowing you to add these to individual RealTracks. All settings are now saved with each song. I wonder if maybe because you are continually changing settings, saving undo information is impacting on performance. This could certainly explain why things restore to normal after closing down and re-opening. Regards, Noel
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Hello Noel  All transpose settings were checked and were concert pitch. I called PG and they told me that it is possible that files can become corrupt and become irredeemable. After trying their advice I simply abandoned the file. No, closing the application and restarting has no effect on the song crackling once it starts. "saving undos". I don't use the undo function much as I find it unreliable. In trying to isolate these issues once I tried 'restore to factory settings' - still crackles. When I used undo, I found that the previous non factory settings were not fully restored - for example the display changes did not undo back to "Allanah". As I have no idea what effects the undo function does or does not undo I avoid it. I want to say that despite all this cranky programming, Real tracks are fantastic and BIAB is still my goto music app I use it way more than Cubase. Z
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Just to note there is definitely something wrong with some of my song files. The one I have loaded is 24 bars long. If I set the "End" bar setting to 24 bars it only plays 22 bars with bar 20 and 21 sounding real drums only. If I set it to 26 bars it all plays correctly, but as if the song was 24 bars long
There is definitely file corruption of a number of my regular songs. I decided to do another "Return to Factory Settings", problems persist as above, but the crackling has gone for the time being, hopefully.
Edit: spoke to soon, files crackling
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Might be an idea if you have biab 2013 lying around, just to install the program only on a different drive, point it towards the realtracks and realdrums folder and see what happens then if any crackling, easy enough thing to do.
For some reason or other I do have biab 2013 on a different drive for the above reasons if something won't play on the new GUI.
And there is something reassuring about having the old GUI around...lol
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Have you given thought to sharing one of these problem files with the forum to see if the issue is reproduced on another machine. My money (although very little) says it is your system.
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Hello all,
I think its solved. I have reinstalled BIAB and so far no pops. I must confess that the issue with the ending of songs going wrong, was down to my settings. I set a file to one chorus, and in song settings I unticked 'generate two bar ending' without clearing 'start the ending two bar ending' which had been accidentally ticked. My fault.
If the problem reoccurs I shall take up the suggestion above and post the file
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/webuzv1uuxbstj1/_BBBLUES1.SGU?dl=0Spoke to soon again, this is an example of a file that is causing me issues. As I am playing it this time it is causing crackles whilst my sound card is set to 512. My system again is Corei7, 12 gig Win 7 64 bit. Frustratingly the crackling seems to come and go. Sdometimes it is not there, other times it crackles especially on start, other times the crackling accumulates so one level of crackling adds to the next and the next until the music is inuadible. As I write this there is no crackling, five minutes ago there was. #Ohh its back again! Now its gone! No other program gives me these issues. Al I have open is BIAB and IE. I keep my memory clean. Z
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Zero, I've downloaded the file. It played fine for the moment. Can you give me some instructions on how you'd set BIAB to play this? I notice that the file is 6 times through. Do you just let it play those 6 times or do you invoke other settings (i.e. you mention modulations earlier in the thread). Regards, Noel
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