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#296193 - 05/21/15 07:13 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Using BIAB live
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I would love to see some videos of users using BIAB live. YouTube has little or nothing. When I finally stop stuffing around, I plan to use BIAB Real Tracks backing me with harmonies on my VoiceLive 2 in an acoustic setting. I also have a Boss Looper (yet to be figured out) and the TC Nova (Fantastic). Right now I just sing and play (lol). What setups are others using?


Edited by lambada (05/21/15 08:00 PM)
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#296343 - 05/23/15 03:23 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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The Conductor feature in Biab is for live playing (gig etc) with Biab.

I have never used it though. I would check the PG Music Support videos first for a demo of using the Conductor feature for gigging musicians. I would also check YouTube as well. There are alot of Biab videos on YouTube.

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#296673 - 05/26/15 06:51 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: Muzic Trax]
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True, but no videos of anyone using BIAB live. Just curious. There is one of a guy organising a jazz choir, but.... I would love to see a singer/guitarist using real tracks in a live environment. If not, I'll do it cool smile assuming I ever get my audio back on my windows tablet.
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#296683 - 05/26/15 08:14 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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Originally Posted By: lambada
True, but no videos of anyone using BIAB live. Just curious. There is one of a guy organising a jazz choir, but.... I would love to see a singer/guitarist using real tracks in a live environment. If not, I'll do it cool smile assuming I ever get my audio back on my windows tablet.


Not sure what you are asking for lamdada, I along with many others use BIAB live at hundreds of gigs but I do not have any videos or tutorials. I also do live eConcerts using BIAB, if you follow via the FB link below you can find the dates and times. Also if you sign into one of the venue you can ask me any questions you like about my setup including BIAB I will be happy to answer in real time.

Hope this helps.
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#296709 - 05/26/15 01:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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I know that Joanne Cooper (JosieC here on the forum) has used BIAB tracks on some of her StreetJelly live, streaming concerts in the past. She presents concerts there on a fairly regular basis so you may want to watch some.

Even if you catch a performance that she is not using backing tracks, her concerts are always fun and entertaining and worth the time you spend.
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#296811 - 05/27/15 06:01 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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Sorry I have no videos of me playing live with BiaB, however I can tell you how I use it.

First I use BiaB, since each playback is somewhat different, which I as a jazz oriented player prefer.

Secondly I play guitar though a pedal board into a guitar amp, but also via a Roland GR-33 guitar synth into my stereo PA, a Fender Passport 150.

From my laptop I split the BiaB output via a Roland UM one into an UA-1 X (for Real Sounds) and Roland XV-5050 (For MIDI sound) and (MIDI) Output Chords to my TC-Helicon Voice Works (For “Close Harmony” singing “Four Freshmen”-style),

The Real and Midi sounds are mixed together with the aid of a small (4 channel mixer) and then go through a 3 way crossover filter. The output of the treble and middle tones are sent (in stereo) to the mixer part of the Passport, while the bass part is send to two Gallien-Krueger bass amps.

This way the bass, bass drum and the lower end of the piano do not “burden” the small Passport speakers and can be fully controlled separately.

The outputs from the TC-Helicon Voice Works go in stereo via an Antares AVP-1 and into the Passport mixer.

So this way I can play guitar (and/or any instrument sound available from GR-33) and/or sing in full stereo to my own arrangements.

NB. There is a small limitation when using the “Output Chords” function with the Voice Works, as it only “understands” 4-note chords (Gmaj7b5 is OK, but G9 is not OK).

I avoid this by writing my arrangement with full chords, then freezing the Piano, String, Guitar tracks etc., then simplifying the chords to four note chords, and voila no more misinterpretations by the Voice Works.

Also the use of passing chords makes the others voices in Voice Works work (sing) more professionally.

Hope this helps.
Tonnie

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#296814 - 05/27/15 06:31 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: tonnie]
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Brilliant. Very useful. Gives me some ideas for pulling it all together especially as I have the Voicelive 2 and a Roland guitar synth. It must sound very full and professional. I guess plenty of scope for things to go wrong! Quite a different approach from recording in a home studio. I was thinking about freezing the Realtracks, but suspected that a lot of people just render to audio and use a more static backing track approach. Like you, I fancied the idea (in theory) of keeping the flexibility of the Realtracks in the process. Do you use the pedal board to send midi patch commands or just as a guitar effects board? Would love to hear an audio of a live song as I suspect would others.
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#296823 - 05/27/15 07:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: tonnie]
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Originally Posted By: tonnie
Sorry I have no videos of me playing live with BiaB, however I can tell you how I use it.

First I use BiaB, since each playback is somewhat different, which I as a jazz oriented player prefer.

Secondly I play guitar though a pedal board into a guitar amp, but also via a Roland GR-33 guitar synth into my stereo PA, a Fender Passport 150.

From my laptop I split the BiaB output via a Roland UM one into an UA-1 X (for Real Sounds) and Roland XV-5050 (For MIDI sound) and (MIDI) Output Chords to my TC-Helicon Voice Works (For “Close Harmony” singing “Four Freshmen”-style),

The Real and Midi sounds are mixed together with the aid of a small (4 channel mixer) and then go through a 3 way crossover filter. The output of the treble and middle tones are sent (in stereo) to the mixer part of the Passport, while the bass part is send to two Gallien-Krueger bass amps.

This way the bass, bass drum and the lower end of the piano do not “burden” the small Passport speakers and can be fully controlled separately.

The outputs from the TC-Helicon Voice Works go in stereo via an Antares AVP-1 and into the Passport mixer.

So this way I can play guitar (and/or any instrument sound available from GR-33) and/or sing in full stereo to my own arrangements.

NB. There is a small limitation when using the “Output Chords” function with the Voice Works, as it only “understands” 4-note chords (Gmaj7b5 is OK, but G9 is not OK).

I avoid this by writing my arrangement with full chords, then freezing the Piano, String, Guitar tracks etc., then simplifying the chords to four note chords, and voila no more misinterpretations by the Voice Works.

Also the use of passing chords makes the others voices in Voice Works work (sing) more professionally.

Hope this helps.
Tonnie






Way to keep it simple, dude. grin
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#296893 - 05/27/15 12:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: 90 dB]
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Forgot to tell that most of my stuff is built into a 6 unit, 19" rack, With wheels, using a snake cable to connect most of my stuff to the amps. So it may sound complicated, but it sounds great!

Tonnie

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#296899 - 05/27/15 12:35 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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Just a note about getting the best sound live:

Whether you use a laptop or an MP3 player etc. to play the backing tracks, be sure to turn up that laptop/player as far as you can without distortion, and then adjust the volume on the PA. You will ensure you are hearing the best quality sound. The principle of doing this is called gain staging.
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#296930 - 05/27/15 03:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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The other point to make here is most folks don't actually use Biab itself live. They use Biab at home to produce the tracks that they convert to wav's or MP3's. They then use a laptop, their phone or whatever else to play back the tracks on the gig.

The question to answer is will you be making changes to Biab's playback live on a gig or just letting it play through to the end of your songs? If it's the latter no need to mess around with a laptop and all the stuff needed. Keep it simple and just playback the files.

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#296940 - 05/27/15 04:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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lamdada,

I use BIAB "live" no mp3's no wav etc. Just like it comes out of the can so to say.

Guitar in to Bose LII through a pedal board and mic in through the Vocalist Live 4. As Matt says, as much volume as you can get through the laptop (without going crazy) and then adjust out volume through your mixer. For me it's is the Bose Mixer, I forget what Bose calls it, but it is a mixer none the less.

I have been playing 75-100 gigs a year plus some Street Jelly and Concert Window eConcerts for the past 12-14 years, or at least since I discovered BIAB. I am told the sound is wonderful, but hey some people are just very nice. LOL

If you would like more detailed info, drop me a PM and I will be happy to give you a call so we can talk further.

Later,
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#297002 - 05/27/15 09:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: Danny C.]
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Thanks Danny. Useful. I liked your website and recordings as well. It's nice to read that people are using BIAB or variations out gigging. I appreciate your valuable point Jazzmammal. Thanks Tonnie for all the info and Matt for the info on levels/gain. Also, the other posters. All good. Now just got to find my DXis which are alive and well on my home pc but not my tablet!:-)


Edited by lambada (05/27/15 10:00 PM)
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#297023 - 05/28/15 04:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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The only USB pedal I use, is to stop my Laptop from playing back my BiaB arrangement, in case a toast master or similar wants to say something, which more often than not is in the middle of a song I might be playing.

I would prefer to be able to fade out in stead, but that seems not possible at the moment.

Brgds,
Tonnie

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#297024 - 05/28/15 04:39 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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Originally Posted By: lambada
I would love to see some videos of users using BIAB live. YouTube has little or nothing. When I finally stop stuffing around, I plan to use BIAB Real Tracks backing me with harmonies on my VoiceLive 2 in an acoustic setting. I also have a Boss Looper (yet to be figured out) and the TC Nova (Fantastic). Right now I just sing and play (lol). What setups are others using?





What sort of places do you plan to play? All of these toys are cool, but in the real world, very complicated for live performance.

Step One: Get a stopwatch: start the timer, pick a song, load it into BIAB, generate it, then set your VoiceLive 2 for whatever harmonies you need, set the parameters on your TC Nova, your Roland guitar synth, and your Boss Looper and hit play. (by the way, your guitar is in tune, and your mic's not feeding back right?) Stop the watch. Time?

Step Two: Pick another song and repeat the process. Remember, you're doing all of this on a dark stage on a tablet.

You might be completely happy with three or five minutes between songs, but if you're playing in a bar, chances are that you've lost your audience by then. Dead air is deadly, unless you are also a very good comedian. grin



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