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Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer #304243 07/27/15 03:06 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,523 Cow Country, Florida Planobilly OP Veteran
OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,523 Cow Country, Florida	Hi Guys, I am trying to discover what can and can not be done in BAND In A Box. I am not looking for the "how to do it" so much as what is possible. I just got Audiophile and audited some of the electric guitar files. 1. Do any Real Tracks exist that were recorded DI? I want to change the guitar tone for example, so can that be done? Of course I can place the electric guitar .wav on a track in my DAW and use a VST like Guitar Rig 5 Pro but while that will work the sound I get with the pre sets is not useful, at least not at first glance. 2. Are any drum tracks, Real Tracks or MIDI, recorded in such a way that I can get separate kit pieces on separate tracks in RB or any DAW for that matter. Also are any drum tracks recorded using MIDI drum kits played live and recorded in that way. I assume the drum question is being looked at because of a post Peter made asking about converting analog, ie, Real Track drums to midi. I assume that could be done using Melodyne but I have not figured it out yet,...well there is no issue to get Melodyne to convert to midi. I also assume that even if Melodyne separates out the different kit pieces correctly, that information needs to be mapped to a VST like Addictive Drums for example. I am going to solve this drum issue if it can be solved because it is super important to me. In the mean time I will continue to be forced to play some drum tracks live. Thanks for putting up with a newbee with to many technical questions...lol Cheers, Billy Last edited by Planobilly; 07/27/15 03:15 AM. New location, new environment, new music coming soon Seize the moo-ment If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304244 07/27/15 03:10 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,395 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,395 Wauconda	Yes No ...in a hurry to day. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304251 07/27/15 03:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,523 Cow Country, Florida	lol...no problem jazzmandan...this is not going to be solved in five min...lol New location, new environment, new music coming soon Seize the moo-ment If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304260 07/27/15 04:43 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,867 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,867 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	In your RealTracks folder, there is another folder called DirectInput. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304271 07/27/15 06:49 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,523 Cow Country, Florida	Thanks Matt Cheers, Billy New location, new environment, new music coming soon Seize the moo-ment If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304273 07/27/15 07:17 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,811 Hamlin NY	Any MIDI drum track can be separated into individual tracks. The GM MIDI drum track will have bass, snare, etc all on one track. You can separate them into individual tracks will each track containing only one drum or cymbal. I do this all the time in Sonar. Last edited by MarioD; 07/27/15 07:17 AM. Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304274 07/27/15 07:45 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,523 Cow Country, Florida	Thanks Mario. I assumed as much. Cheers, Billy New location, new environment, new music coming soon Seize the moo-ment If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304279 07/27/15 08:19 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,684 Florida floyd jane Veteran
floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,684 Florida	For DI guitars... In the RealTracks selection screen look for a "Y" in the last column - the Direct Input column. If there is a Y, then the Direct Input box at the top will be available to check. If you check that, you will get a clean guitar track out that you can then add your own effects to.. (there are 4 check boxes - Bluesy, Simple, Direct, Held) 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304281 07/27/15 08:48 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,523 Cow Country, Florida	Thanks Floyd, All this has been very helpful. I did not want to watch hours of video looking for something that does not exist. The drum issue is another kettle of fish. The Real Drums tracks have the fills in the correct places or can be forced there and sound...well..real. Having said that the midi drum sounds we have in today's world sound better than I may be able to get with a live session player unless I provide the drum kit I want to hear and he or she can actually play well on that kit. What I here on the real tracks sound to me to have been played on a DW drum kit. Billy New location, new environment, new music coming soon Seize the moo-ment If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304338 07/27/15 03:41 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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solidrock Expert S Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,827	Originally Posted By: Planobilly 1. Do any Real Tracks exist that were recorded DI? I want to change the guitar tone for example, so can that be done? Of course I can place the electric guitar .wav on a track in my DAW and use a VST like Guitar Rig 5 Pro but while that will work the sound I get with the pre sets is not useful, at least not at first glance. Some of the DI guitars are missing DI holds, so you get the distorted holds, I made up a lot of these to fix the problem, if you search solidrock "Missing DI Hold" they should come up (if you copy the .xm2 .sm2 files from your original non DI holds folder that they use this will give you the new holds timing that comes in a bit earlier) I think think they will add this New Suggested Feature in the next version to fix the problem. 2. Are any drum tracks, Real Tracks or MIDI, recorded in such a way that I can get separate kit pieces on separate tracks in RB or any DAW for that matter. Also are any drum tracks recorded using MIDI drum kits played live and recorded in that way. Long asked for all the time. I assume the drum question is being looked at because of a post Peter made asking about converting analog, ie, Real Track drums to midi. Yes I think that's what they are doing, again long asked for ! http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=226010 I am going to solve this drum issue if it can be solved because it is super important to me. In the mean time I will continue to be forced to play some drum tracks live. Super RealDrums

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer solidrock #304343 07/27/15 03:50 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,827 S solidrock Expert
solidrock Expert S Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,827	There's a few multitrack drums here you can drag into RB: www.realband.org/drums.html also www.drumdrops.com/ have a lot of multitracks at a good price.

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304355 07/27/15 05:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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solidrock Expert S Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,827	EZDrummer 2 is great but you can't create the track in BB/RB as it don't send the tempo/SPP to the VSTi so it just loops on the first bar. That should be fixed hopefully in the next version or update.

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer solidrock #304378 07/28/15 02:04 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,395 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: solidrock EZDrummer 2 is great but you can't create the track in BB/RB as it don't send the tempo/SPP to the VSTi so it just loops on the first bar. That should be fixed hopefully in the next version or update. Considering how many years this has been on the wishlist, I would hate to give some of our newbees false hope. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer DrDan #304379 07/28/15 02:20 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,395 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: jazzmandan ....help me understand. RealDrums are audio, but they were recorded from a midi drum kit. Therefore,they also have the associated midi track available for them. But this midi track can not be separated - can it?? Did some homework. I have concluded: ...RealDrums are not midi; they are full recordings, lasting from 1 to 8 bars at a time. They are the early implementation of the RealTrack technology. We don't know what kits they were recorded from, but likely a full acoustic drum kit. There is no midi track associated with realdrums and the individual drums in the kit cannot be separated onto different tracks. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer DrDan #304402 07/28/15 06:28 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 128 P pedwards2932 Apprentice
pedwards2932 Apprentice P Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 128	Has anyone ever tried JamStix? I wonder if it could be incorporated into RB. I have used it for years to create drum tracks for my originals and doing backing tracks in Sonar. You pick a drummer and a kit and a style of music and it will provide some pretty authentic drums tracks.

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer pedwards2932 #304405 07/28/15 06:34 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,395 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: pedwards2932 Has anyone ever tried JamStix? I wonder if it could be incorporated into RB? A definite Yes, and A definite No Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: Another Newbee question, perhaps not so easy to answer Planobilly #304413 07/28/15 07:48 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	To be clear, drum plugs like EZ or JS work great as midi drum sound engines ONLY playing prerecorded midi drum tracks such as the ones Biab uses. BUT the big deal is these plugs are capable of creating their own drum grooves. It's the creation part that does not work with PG products. Ralph at Razoon told me 4 or 5 years ago it's a problem with PG's VST implementation. Every year after I bought Jamstix I was on a crusade to get that fixed and I posted some pretty strong thoughts on that. A few years ago Peter even said they were working on it. Since then, not a peep. I can only assume it was discovered that it simply cannot be done for whatever reason. No point in beating that dead horse any further. If that ever gets fixed it will be announced as an update and we will all find out together. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

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