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I am currently Rendering MGU Midi Files of Jazz Tunes to Wav files thru Real Drums and Real Tracks. I am then exporting them to a Yamaha AW16G 8 Track and using "several" of these files as "scratch" files, overdubbing the Melody, Soloist and Comping files with my "Guitar" playing.
WHEN
Midi Melody File is replaced with a Real Track instrument the
Melody loses its properties : The Melody is replaced with a
"Real" File (I assume it is switched to a Soloist channel ).
Procedure Steps:
1. Initially set up Song :an MGU in Midi Format
2. Stylepicker to _JFredMS Style : to change Midi to Real Drums
and Real Tracks : the Melody (Ch #4) remains yellow,, i.e. Midi
not Real "green".
3. Play in BiB and Real Tracks sound and Midi Melody sound: OK
4. Go to Melody Track Rt Click : Regenerate Midi Melody as Real Track : Get the Yellow Audition Option : Choose :361 Sax
Replace with Real Instrument
5. Melody no longer present: "Play" and the Sax heard soloing from the beginning of the file thru to the end.(Melody Track Ch#4/ Solo is Ch #8)in Options/Preferences
6. The "Sax" track Not only starts from the first Bar ( 4 Bar intro) : One can not KILL the melody in the Middle Choruses.
It is just an "uncontrolled Solo Track"
7. Attempted to get Melody back : Menu: Melody\EditMelTrack\ Swap Melody and Soloist Track...nothing (possibly it adds a "extra" Midi track)
8. If I check this "extra" Midi track carefully I NOTE : I can "SOLO" the track (Muting all others) and while I see the LED Meter moving I hear NO AUDIO. If Middle Chorus are Killed when the Song gets to Middle Chorus then LED Stops. Seems some kind of signal exists I'm just not hearing it. I don't know if this is the Melody Ch or not.
HOW DO I
1. Create a Real Melody track without losing my Melody
2. And If I do this : can I still KILL the middle choruses
3. If I additionally wanted to ADD a Solo track how might I do this without creating this "deleted" melody problem.
4. Is there any Option to have a Solo track Sound ONLY in the
Middle Choruses as most "Solos" are actually played.
Thanks for whatever help rendered
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It sounds to me like you trying to get "RealTracks" to play the MIDI melody you have already put on your melody track? If so, it doesn't work that way. RealTracks are pre-recorded phrases and when you overlay RealTracks onto the melody track, you will get something completely different (based on the phrases recorded in the RealTracks). RealTracks do not follow a MIDI melody line at all.
By inserting a RealTrack onto the melody track (or any other track), it just replaces the melody track with the RealTrack (as it would on any of the other tracks).
Or have I missed something here?
For solos (on the soloist track), you can generate specific locations. Look at the various options on the Soloist window.
Or you can generate the solo over the entire song, and then you can use the F5 key to mute specific parts at certain bars and then bring them back at a later bar.
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John Thanks
Will just have to use a MIDI track for the Melody.
A limitation but understood.I'll normalize it.
How do you MUTE a generated SOLO track. If it was a WAV file one would have 'sample accuracy" precision here. I had previously "ported" the file out to Sound Forge and edited there. A bit of pain and a "fear" of losing sync with the other files ( by improper "muting" or deletion to fit the other files) It seems I have to port everything for what I want to do, which is replace several "scratch tracks (Real comp Guitar and Melody + the head) with "MY" Guitar overdubbed. That's the Reason for the 8 Track.
Because my Layla Echo24/96 sound card isn't up to the task in BiB (its fine in Cubase3/5, Sonar8.5 Wave Lab 6, Sound Forge 9 and everything else). I've got 2 multiboot systems and am not about ready to buy 2 new sound card and reconfigure 6 O/S.
I can not use the ASIO drivers and am stuck with MME drivers...so I can't record into BiB in "real Time" due to latency.Offset this and that ??
I'd appreciate some info in how to Mute Solo Tracks. But I still can not understand the rationale for playing Solo tracks across an entire song form. Where they come up with that one I'm quite caught "off guard".
Thanks for the input..bit of Gainesvlle (tho not a football fan) appreciation.
By the way do you know how to avoid the delay in opening BiB directly. It is as if one requires Admin Privieges. My app does not open diectly,
Thanks again just for being there and taking the time
Jason
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Sounds like you have a nightmare of a computing system.. If you're going to do music as a hobby, why not pick one computer, one OS and install a nice external USB based musical interface that runs ASIO and be happy with solid performance? If you like a melody, freeze it. Drag it into Real Band as the audio or midi track.... If you try to render it to audio using RB, yep, it will not sound the same in that it will not play the same melody. And you can't go the other way either. I had a really nice piano part that RB created and wanted to get the exact midi notes to use my own much better piano synth..... nope.... would not do that. You need to work on your system so that you can get the sound card to use ASIO. Layla cards are not really what I consider to be ideal (being kind here) for recording. Sure they do the job....kind of.... but there are cards that smoke Layla when it comes to ease of use and functionality and driver compatibility. You should never have to use MME for recording and playback. The latency is just to much of a PITA as you have discovered. I have a lappy that runs Vista and MME as the default. It works OK with BB but when I open RB and have synths in there..... it's impossible to work with until I plug in my Focusrite Saffire interface. Then it all works like I expect it to work. I'm not very familiar with Sound Forge. If it's a full fledged DAW, you should be able to run it with ASIO drivers. I use Sonar. I create the tracks in BB..... song structure... verses, chorus, endings, etc.... then I move over to real band to render the audio for the tracks. I sometimes use the BB tracks as well. I never use melody tracks from either. I EXPORT the audio tracks to a folder and IMPORT them into my Sonar project. If you want RB to do a sweet solo... choose the SOLO tracks in the instrument of your choice.. as opposed to the rhythm tracks. Render that same track multiple times (as needed) and use the DAW with it's volume envelope function to pick and choose the parts..... same thing for the parts you want to play. Use ENVELOPES to mute the tracks where and when you don't want to hear them playing. This is what my projects look like. Yellow lines are volume envelopes  Listen to the song THE BEST CHRISTMAS as it has 5 guitar solo tracks and 2 piano tracks done in this very manner. I hope this helps you a bit.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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