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+1 A very sensible proposition. Ray
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I don't know what you mean about "caring" about 64-bit. But, as you're "wild guessing', I'd like to introduce a fact: since 2013, all laptops sold in Italy have been with a 64-bit OS, even the ones with only 4GB of RAM. Care or not, if your computer is newer than three years, chances are, they DO HAVE a 64-bit OS. Just sayin'...  So what? Just sayin'. Are you saying that 64 bit Windows won't run a 32 bit app on any one of those millions of Italian laptops? Until a new OS on a new computer will not run 32 bit apps (Biab) THEN we have a problem. Until that happens my wild guess is only a small percentage of users cares. I know you read these forums. Are you aware that a very large percentage maybe even the majority of users (at least on the forum don't know about all users) are still running XP? What do they care about 64 bit anything? How many people here post "if it ain't broke I ain't fixin' it"? They're running their old machines until their 2 gigs of memory turns to dust. So, PG spends who knows now much to completely rewrite the programs to 64 bit but a very large group still doesn't care about that so then what? Bob
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BIAB probably contains loads of legacy code from the DOS/Win 3.1/Win95 days. Design the whole thing again, of course in 64 bit. If the programming team does not have the constraint of keeping all the legacy stuff, the program should be a lot smaller, faster and more performant, timing-wise. Somebody should convince PG Music that FUTURE IS TODAY! HTH,
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I didn't upgrade this year and future upgrades are uncertain.
I've pretty much given up on using VSTi's with BiaB/RB beyond the included "Coyote", or Sample Tank, because of consistent crashes and sluggish performance.
I can load 8-10 VSTi's in my 64-bit DAWs with no problem. BiaB can hardly handle 1.
My only use for BiaB at this point is to generate a midi file I can tweak in my 64-bit DAWs using High Quality VSTi's.
Real Tracks are occasionally useful, but the new generation of VSTi's sound better, IMHO.
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I didn't upgrade this year and future upgrades are uncertain.
I've pretty much given up on using VSTi's with BiaB/RB beyond the included "Coyote", or Sample Tank, because of consistent crashes and sluggish performance.
I can load 8-10 VSTi's in my 64-bit DAWs with no problem. BiaB can hardly handle 1.
My only use for BiaB at this point is to generate a midi file I can tweak in my 64-bit DAWs using High Quality VSTi's.
Real Tracks are occasionally useful, but the new generation of VSTi's sound better, IMHO. I'm in the same boat. I agree with you on the BiaB/VSTi issue also. I will add that with MIDI you have total control over your music. A lot of the things on the wishlist like individual RD hits, making RTs play the melody, better endings etc can be accomplished with MIDI but you need better sound sources (VSTis) than a 32 bit program can handle. I'll add that you also need a working knowledge of MIDI to get the most out of it. I did upgrade this year but only the basic program and the new MIDI tracks. I will probably do the same next year if there are improvements to the program and more MIDI tracks. YMMV
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If the VST Tempo/Sync problem was fixed you could use an external VSTHost so BB/RB is not all doing the work and crashing, VSTHost can use a VST/i plugin Legree.dll/Legreei.dll (VSTHost Slavery Suite) that would sync BB/RB with the VSTHost64 without latency. http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htmMay be PG could make a 64bit VST Slave Host without a total re-write ? Sure BB/RB 64 bit would be great but it is a massive re-write $$ undertaking for PG at the moment, but who knows they might be working on it now. You can try this with Live Professor 64bit Host, but it just uses midi clock at the moment. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=308107#Post308107
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JohnJohn. Really good idea to make a Simple VSTi version of Biab or RB.
But build it as a (64 Bit) PlugIn program for DAWs like Cubase, Cakewalk, and other major DAW's. I do have Cubase 8 pro, and their new well thought out Chord track/builder i use a lot. But Biab's high quality styles you don't realy get here.Not yet anyway( but I do think it is coming, sooner than you think)
If I could use BiaB's Rhytms/ styles (both MIDI and Real Tracks) and use the chords in cubase to trigger the heart of BiaB it would save my musicday- Now and a long long time. I can imagine that PGM would save a lot of time and effort to go this way. And They would sell a lot of this stuff I think.
Then they can continue their 32 bit route for their Main programs for people who still use their not (anymore) supported WindowsXP and 5-10 years old machines. - Then PGM have bought some time, to eventualy fade out their very old "W95" 'ish programs.
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Yes what JohnJohnJohn said also, a plugin version, this is how Realband kind of works, it calls on Realband\Data\bbw2.exe that is Biab, to generate up the tracks into the DAW Realband.
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JohnJohn. Really good idea to make a Simple VSTi version of Biab or RB.
But build it as a (64 Bit) PlugIn program for DAWs like Cubase, Cakewalk, and other major DAW's. I agree 101% The new VSTi should be 64-bit! Maybe this is what they are working on already!! Fingers crossed!
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RealBand is not a DAW for me, anymore. I'we never used a more unstable musicprogram on my computer.
So I stick to Cubase and will cross my fingers that PGM will make a simple VST plugin (sort of style program) to use within it. Until then I will import tracks (MIDI and Real Tracks) into Cubase 8.
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RealBand is not a DAW for me, anymore. I've never used a more unstable musicprogram on my computer....
LOL I'm the Father of complaining about Realband! I have Cubase, but I can't produce a song going back n forth, back n forth from RB to CB. I have to be able to do it all in the one DAW then I export the finished tracks to mix n master. I now have a Chord Track in CB but no RealTracks or MultiRiffs yet, but until then I need RB unless I hire some session players. I was talking about slaving VSTs outside of BB/RB so they don't crash.
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I try to think of it like this from biab programmers point of view maybe.
They probably have been coding biab for years and years, They are really proud of the software they have produced, and with the current 32 bit program its easily within their ability to add 50 new features and other improvements. They understand the coding inside out.
Maybe, I don't know, doing a total rewrite in 64 bit is like learning a total new language and at this stage they maybe don't have the heart to start from scratch again, especially since they see that most users are satisfied with the present program.
And to hire in new people probably would cost 10-20K in dollars, you would have to sell a lot of ultra paks to get that amount back.
I feel that we won't see any 64 bit biab for a while yet, for those users that want it.
Maybe I am totally wrong just trying to see it from PG's side.
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If $5 for every view of this topic was donated we would be there. 
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Hmmm, Can't argue with that statement!
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I try to think of it like this from biab programmers point of view maybe.
They probably have been coding biab for years and years, They are really proud of the software they have produced, and with the current 32 bit program its easily within their ability to add 50 new features and other improvements. They understand the coding inside out.
Maybe, I don't know, doing a total rewrite in 64 bit is like learning a total new language and at this stage they maybe don't have the heart to start from scratch again, especially since they see that most users are satisfied with the present program.
And to hire in new people probably would cost 10-20K in dollars, you would have to sell a lot of ultra paks to get that amount back.
I feel that we won't see any 64 bit biab for a while yet, for those users that want it.
Maybe I am totally wrong just trying to see it from PG's side.
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It's time that PG programmer's saw things from the customers point of view. There is far too much bodgy tacky ill thought out, messy, poorly implemented, and archaic programming. With the advent of JamKazam and other's it's probably already getting too late. |a\s fro "fifty new features" drill down and you will find it's mostly hype. Z
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Solidrock Thanks for the link http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htmhow to slaving VSTs outside of BB/RB so they don't crash (Do'nt know if I can figure it out, but maybe I will give it a try) Me to LOL to se you are "the Father of complaining" about RealBand :-)
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JamKazam is interesting but not so much as competition but as one way to get things done in the 21st century.
Save on storage space by having YouTube host videos and Photobucket host screenshots.
Don't manufacture hardware (their interface) until get enough nods for preorders to justify a production run.
Don't buy license to play commercial tracks for a few months after site is up and running.
Use KickStarter to finance the start up.
Maybe PG Music could have a KickStarter campain to finance the development of 64 bit versions of BiaB and RealBand.
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Must be close to December, the broken record "64-bit bandwagon" is racing again!
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Solidrock Thanks for the link http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htmhow to slaving VSTs outside of BB/RB so they don't crash (Do'nt know if I can figure it out, but maybe I will give it a try) Me to LOL to se you are "the Father of complaining" about RealBand :-) Download VSTHost64 & Legree Slavery Suite, go to the VSTHost64 folder, right click VSTHost.exe create a shortcut > right click shortcut > Properties > and edit > Target "C:\Program Files\vsthost64\vsthost.exe" -slave:1 (or -1to16) > save and double click shortcut > load Legree.dll or Legreei.dll (VSTi > set to 1 (or -1to16), it will then sync in with vsthost. You can create more shortcuts -1to16 to use. You will need http://www.pgmusic.com/jbridge.htm to use 64 bit else use VSTHost32. If you need Tempo/Sync info for VSTi try method below: Live Professor RB.mp4 (it should do the same with Biab) You can try this with Live Professor 64bit Host, but it just uses midi clock at the moment. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=308107#Post308107
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Maybe PG Music could have a KickStarter campain to finance the development of 64 bit versions of BiaB and RealBand. Yes, Crowdfunding might be that way to go, have to see how PG feel about it. Maybe they want to stay small and close knit and do things in their own time ?
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