Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,081
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,081
As many know, I've made a lot of MIDI styles.

I've also made a few real tracks, and although the music came out well, the acoustics of my studio are terrible so I nuked them.

But MIDI is another story. Everything is contained in the wires, and it doesn't care about reflective surfaces, standing waves, frequency traps, the garbage truck rolling by, or the helicopter above.

It would so nice to have a way for us to make Super-MIDI tracks.

Bob


Bob "Notes" Norton smile Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com

100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,257
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,257
+1 Great Idea


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,647
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,647
A SUPER BIG +1


Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,335
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,335
May be a good idea to rename the Super Midi to "Real Midi". This would align with their counterpart of "Real Tracks" and not get them confused with HIQ Midi. Or is it only me?


Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,801
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,801
That renaming makes good sense to me, for both clarity and marketing reasons.


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,257
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,257
Originally Posted By: jazzmandan
May be a good idea to rename the Super Midi to "Real Midi". This would align with their counterpart of "Real Tracks" and not get them confused with HIQ Midi. Or is it only me?

No, it's not only you Dan. crazy


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
S
Expert
Offline
Expert
S
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
+1
Yes, if you could just save the midi track as you do the audio track when making a UserTrack.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,323
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,323
+1
Excellent idea !


Reach for excellence
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,775
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,775
Seein that I already posted this very same suggestion on their facebook page only a few days ago, this gets a very obvious +1 cool


Thank goodness words aren't knives.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BBox 2022 Audiophile, Mac Pro Intel, OSX 10.6.8, 800x600 (TV VGA)
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,101
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,101
Sounds like a great idea to me as well.


Keith
2024 Audiophile Windows 11 AMD RYZEN THREADRIPPER 3960X 4.5GHZ 128 GB RAM 2 Nvidia RTX 3090s, Vegas,Acid,SoundForge,Izotope Production,Melodyne Studio,Cakewalk,Raven Mti
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
S
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
S
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
Yes also your engine does not support proper voice leading, maybe I am missing something but how can you voice chords properly just doing vamps?

I am going back to version 12, no more up dates for me.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,257
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,257
Originally Posted By: sonicBling
Yes also your engine does not support proper voice leading, maybe I am missing something but how can you voice chords properly just doing vamps?

I am going back to version 12, no more up dates for me.


SB, did you post under the wrong topic? The topic was discussing 'user-created' MST's. I didn't follow your comments.


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
S
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
S
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
If you design a user style? How do you determine voice leading? How do U determine how soprano, alto, tenor, bass of a chord goes to the next chord. My understanding is you design a style under a static C7 chord.

Hope that helps

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
S
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
S
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
Maybe this will help
take a simple chord progression
dm, c6, bflat6, fmaj7

look at how strings are voiced
each chord gets voiced with parallel voice leading

there is no counterpoint (contrary motion, oblique motion)
I didn't check every style, I am using elegant slow pop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_leading

I thought MIDI could make wiser decisions, based on counterpoint rules

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,580
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,580
Quote:
I thought MIDI could make wiser decisions...



MIDI doesn't make any decisions at all. It only responds to what you tell it to do.

If you want to understand what happens with MIDI styles, you should read carefully the user manual sections about Style Maker, with particular attention to the masks you can apply to each phrase.

And then you need to listen to more than a handful of styles, while studying what you see in Style Maker to better understand the results you are going to get.

However, if you are expecting BIAB to look at your chord progression, possibly along with a melody, and go "Oh, I see what you're trying to do there; here, I think you're really going to like this", then I think your expectations are too high. And that being said, please share with us another program that even comes close to what BIAB does.


John

Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD
Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA

BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK

http://www.sus4chord.com
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
S
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
S
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
A wrote a program that does it,

https://dochub.com/yragroneelf/b9nygm/amaj-7ths

I can translate to any key and have good voice leading.
I don't generate MIDI, just figure out where to put dots on a grid.

If you turned in what band in box generates in a music theory 101 class you would get a F. Its 'all' parallel voice leading. (Maybe not all but at first look I think it may be)

Korg Karma will do it to some degree, if you voice lead in the input the output will match. although it does not have the wonderful layout that band in box has where you can map out the whole song ahead of time. Biab can place the fill in right spot and so forth.

In order to generate bass lines in is has to figure out the root, 3rd, 5th it has to do some analysis.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
S
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
S
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
Biab used to support Nashville numbers so it does have some information needed to make smarter decisions. Also it should have way to support changing parent scale like melodic minor, or harmonic minor.

If it would support melodic minor, harmonic minor, voice leading and Quartal harmony it would be much better.

Real tracks has it place but MIDI is better for music education.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
S
Expert
Offline
Expert
S
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
I'm like a deer with no eyes when it comes to all of that sorry.
Could you just do what you need manually, like record a usertrack for each chord, using a midi pickup on your guitar also to get the midi.
In realband you can just highlight the bars then go to Generate UserTrack Audio this will bring the picker up, type your required chord in the search box and it will generate the audio chord of your playing in the bar/s.

As you can't make a midi UserTrack "yet" and yes midi is more flexible to work with stretching & transposing, I would use PowerTracks to open the recorded audio with the corresponding midi, SEQ UserTrack, then you simply highlight the chord/s in the chord window then with snapping On drag the midi Track number straight to where you need the chord in realband this will copy just the highlighted midi chord/s.
This way you are not relying on BB to get it right, as you will get it just how you like.
I use this method with UserTracks as BB tends to screw it up transposing other chords too much instead of using the available correct chords.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
S
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
S
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 32
yes I found some work around's by deleting the keyboard guitar and strings tracks
so I can do what i want

But I have been Biab user since the beginning, I am supportive of them
I wanted to express my complaints publicly, and give them a chance to respond

From my perspective there is no reason to upgrade after version 12
Just buy the super MIDI tracks

If they are abandoning MIDI then U need to find support else where.

If they are NOT going to support voice leading and music education
then I need to searching for another program to use

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
S
Expert
Offline
Expert
S
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
I don't know if this would help, I can't remember the name, but there are midi vst's that can change a chord input to a custom chord that you program in to play the chord the way you want.

EDIT: It may of been here:
http://www.thepiz.org/plugins/
or something like http://www.mucoder.net/en/tonespace/
you could also script it in Kontakt
more http://www.codefn42.com/chordz/index.html
http://www.thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiChords

Last edited by solidrock; 10/06/15 07:57 PM.
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Happy Easter! Holiday Hours...

2024 is well underway - it's already Easter Weekend!

Our Customer Service hours this weekend are:

Friday, March 29: 8-4
Saturday, March 30: 8-4
Sunday, March 31: closed

Regular hours resume Monday, April 1st - no joke!

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Video: Volume Automation in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created a video to help you learn more about the Volume Automation options in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows.

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Volume Automation

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#volume-automation

Video: Audio Input Monitoring with Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created this short video to explain Audio Input Monitoring within Band-in-a-Box® 2024, and included some tips & troubleshooting details too!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Audio Input Monitoring

3:17: Tips
5:10: Troubleshooting

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#audio-input-monitoring

Video: Enhanced Melodists in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®!

We've enhanced the Melodists feature included in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows!

Access the Melodist feature by pressing F7 in the program to open the new MultiPicker Library and locate the [Melodist] tab.

You can now generate a melody on any track in the program - very handy! Plus, you select how much of the melody you want generated - specify a range, or apply it to the whole track.

See the Melodist in action with our video, Band-in-a-Box® 2024: The Melodist Window.

Learn even more about the enhancements to the Melodist feature in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024upgrade/chapter3.htm#enhanced-melodist

Forum Statistics
Forums66
Topics81,401
Posts732,574
Members38,444
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
Newest Members
Descoward, danielsk, Mark Morgan, zagrajbarke, Ernest J
38,443 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 199
Al-David 132
DC Ron 115
rsdean 84
dcuny 83
Today's Birthdays
(charlie), WobblyGstring
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5