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Yeah I really need a favor from everyone here....So let me explain.

Last year my wife and I adopted a precocious little German Shepard girl named Lilly. She was a rescue pup at 4 months of age.




I started working with Lilly on basic obedience. She came along nicely and accompanies me everywhere I can reasonably take her. The clerks in Lowes know her name but not mine.

Around the spring of this year, we started working and training her in search and rescue for human remains. SAR/HRD We work with this group: http://www.nccert.org/nc-cert-presents-powerful-video-about-search-and-rescue/ Check out the website and the video.

She absolutely loves this work. You should see her when I give her the command to go search.... she knows it's coming and she's so excited.

Everyone on the team is a volunteer. Everything we do is out of pocket from gas and motels for training, to equipement including buying the things for our training team as a group. Much of the equipment and software we use is not cheap.

There is a contest that we need your votes to win. The bottom line is that if we can win this, our team gets $5000 to buy things we need to further our mission effectiveness.

All I'm asking you to do is take 1 minute EACH day for the remainder of this month. Each person can vote once a day, every day. Invite your friends to vote...

AND..... if you upload a picture of LILLY, your vote doubles in it's value.

SO....

1. Download a picture of LILLY to your computer. (right click the pic and "save image as")

2. Go to this link: http://www.aftermath.com/k9contest/

3. Fill out the form

4. In the field called "Department" enter the following: NC K9ERT

5. Upload LILLY's picture at the bottom of the form. wait for the upload to finish

6. Click on SUBMIT

7. Make a note to do this every day until Nov gets here.


This is what Lilly looks like now.




Here she is at last month's group training.... "Hey Dad... it's in here...I found it!!!!"






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Started voting today. Site bookmarked and photo downloaded.

Good luck with the contest.


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Do you travel over to Wendell to train or is the organization based somewhere else?

How often do you meet with the club to train?

How close is Lilly to becoming certified?

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Originally Posted By: c_fogle
Started voting today. Site bookmarked and photo downloaded.

Good luck with the contest.


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Do you travel over to Wendell to train or is the organization based somewhere else?

How often do you meet with the club to train?

How close is Lilly to becoming certified?

Charlie


Yes... Wendell is where the team leader lives and has a large rural property we use. That's home base and about 25 minutes from my house. The team meets once a month for group training and to correct anything we're doing incorrectly. On occasion we travel to other locations close to some of the regular members. We have folks from Wilmington NC near the coast, NJ who do a 6 hr drive to come and train, as well as to the western part of NC... near Statesville, like last month and then the next upcoming training is scheduled on the USMC air station base at Beaufort SC where some other team members live... almost a 5 hr drive for me. The team leader has a good reputation for training the best SAR dogs and people in this field know it and are willing to drive long distances to come and train with him.

Lilly's certification is the easy part. All she needs to be able to do is find a number of sources hidden in a defined search area. She needs to alert on it and then locate it and indicate it with a SIT, or any other response specific to her. Since we are certified as a team.... I have a number of courses to take and pass as well as passing the SAR Tech Level 2 to become operational. My thought is it could be 6 months to a year before we are fully prepared to be a certified team.

They finally gave me a "training aid" to work with on my own. Not HR but a scent article. Lilly absolutely loves searching for this item. It's a tennis ball that is rather stinky. We spend a few minutes every day or so working with it. I crate her, hide it, and then put her on command.... she finds it in less than 60 seconds. Right now.... it's just "find it" and praise/reward.... training the indication comes next.. in a few more weeks.

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That's very interesting. I'm aware of two prominent cadaver dog handlers from that area, Cat Warren and Nancy Hook. Not sure if they are associated with your organization or not.

I became a certified dog trainer back in 2010 before I retired and studied with a trainer/mentor from Fort Bragg. She is also a dog behavior professor at the college level. She was married to a special ops colonel and is from Germany. She had trained several dogs to Schultzhund III level. A brilliant trainer and teacher.

I also worked for a time with a certified service dog organization trainer before retirement but my job required so much time I had to stop with that volunteer work.

My GSD Justice is 3.5 years old and is also very scent oriented. I looked into SAR in the past and looked into your organization in Raleigh but decided at the time, time for travel back and forth would cause me to lose interest quickly.

I've had a lot of exposure to scent dogs both in my insurance investigative work with arson and as a SC EMT for 18 years. Fascinating work.

Lot's of interesting things with dogs is going on in the Raleigh/Durham area. Brian Hare runs the Dog Cognition Center out of Duke U. there also.

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I'm in!

She's a good looking dog, and thank you for being involved in a humanitarian project.

I'm happy to help.

Bob

PS Do I put your city and state or mine?

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Done deal. If she wins, can I have her? You can tell just be LOOKING at that dog how intelligent she is. My little dog would love to have her as a housemate.


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Done. Hope y'all win...

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I'm in!

She's a good looking dog, and thank you for being involved in a humanitarian project.

I'm happy to help.

Bob

PS Do I put your city and state or mine?



Enter your information. The only thing that's ours is the Department and the picture.

This is like a Chicago election..... vote early and vote often.


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This is like a Chicago election..... vote early and vote often.


And for Mayor Daley.


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That's very interesting. I'm aware of two prominent cadaver dog handlers from that area, Cat Warren and Nancy Hook. Not sure if they are associated with your organization or not.

I became a certified dog trainer back in 2010 before I retired and studied with a trainer/mentor from Fort Bragg. She is also a dog behavior professor at the college level. She was married to a special ops colonel and is from Germany. She had trained several dogs to Schultzhund III level. A brilliant trainer and teacher.

I also worked for a time with a certified service dog organization trainer before retirement but my job required so much time I had to stop with that volunteer work.

My GSD Justice is 3.5 years old and is also very scent oriented. I looked into SAR in the past and looked into your organization in Raleigh but decided at the time, time for travel back and forth would cause me to lose interest quickly.

I've had a lot of exposure to scent dogs both in my insurance investigative work with arson and as a SC EMT for 18 years. Fascinating work.

Lot's of interesting things with dogs is going on in the Raleigh/Durham area. Brian Hare runs the Dog Cognition Center out of Duke U. there also.


Interesting stuff Charlie.

I'm sure if I mention those 2 ladies names at the training, most of the experienced handlers will know them or at least, know of them. This is all new to me and so I'm not really familiar with the ladies or their back stories. I do know that there's a lot of pride and rivalry in this field.... mostly friendly. I'm working toward certification and doing the job as we are called upon to do.

From what I've heard and learned, this team is a widely known and a very well respected team for it's professionalism and highly trained dogs and handlers. Mac has a map on his wall where he keeps a record of all the searches with color coded pins. There's hundreds of pins in that map covering more than 3 states. VA, NC, SC, and I think GA and TN as well. The standards to become operational are fairly steep for a reason. Mac only wants the best teams in the field representing the larger team.

Interesting, fascinating, work. It's a pleasure to watch some of the more experienced dogs work.


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If she wins, can I have her? You can tell just be LOOKING at that dog how intelligent she is.


I've had a number of folks offer to buy her. Nope, she's not for sale.

Intelligent? Scary intelligent at times. I was messing with her one night and she kept bugging me.... so I told her to go get her ball. I knew the ball was in the other room in a pile with several other toys, including a tug rope and some bones. She gives me that GSD head tilt look, I repeated the command.... go get your ball, and she turns around and walks out of the room.

30 seconds later she comes trotting back in to the den with ..... her ball. I repeated that test about 20 minutes later...this time asking for the rope.... she comes back with the rope....

At this point I realized she was probably more intelligent than I was.


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If she wins, can I have her? You can tell just be LOOKING at that dog how intelligent she is.


I've had a number of folks offer to buy her. Nope, she's not for sale.

Intelligent? Scary intelligent at times. I was messing with her one night and she kept bugging me.... so I told her to go get her ball. I knew the ball was in the other room in a pile with several other toys, including a tug rope and some bones. She gives me that GSD head tilt look, I repeated the command.... go get your ball, and she turns around and walks out of the room.

30 seconds later she comes trotting back in to the den with ..... her ball. I repeated that test about 20 minutes later...this time asking for the rope.... she comes back with the rope....

At this point I realized she was probably more intelligent than I was.


My wife and I were headed to Walmart one day and just as we were leaving I realized I'd dropped my reading glasses in the front yard. Not taking time to look for them I told my GSD Justice to find my glasses. We left at that point. Upon our return, there was Justice jumped up on the fence with my glasses in her mouth.

To learn of the extraordinary intelligence of dogs, Stop, Sit and Think by Charles P. Eisenmann is the book for you. Because he self published his work, this book is quite rare and rather expensive if you find one. For me, it was worth the price I had to pay and if something happened to my copy, I'd locate and buy another. I learned more about dogs, their intelligence, their capabilities and understanding than from any other writing I've ever come across. I have a huge and complete library and this book stands alone. It is kept under lock and key in a waterproof/fireproof container.

Two books that are easier to find and a whole lot cheaper but should be in any trainers library are Training Dogs A Manual by Co. Konrad Most which was the German K9 military training manual for the period comprising pre-WWI to post-WWII. It was printed and released in English in the early 1950's. It is compulsion training which is out of favor today and some training is rather harsh by today's standards but one has to read it in context that it was written and intended for military dogs in war situations. Col. Most developed and used techniques and theories of operant conditioning, chaining, shaping, fading as well as primary and secondary reinforcement 32 years before they were 'discovered' by B.F. Skinner. You may not train with the techniques but you will learn more true theory than any other three manuals combined. All of the compulsion trainers including William Koehler's methods trace their roots to Most and his theory of training.

The second indispensable training manual is British War Dogs by Lt. Col. Edwin Richardson. It is from the same time period but rather than compulsion training, it is based on positive reinforcement, but without treats.

With these three books in your library, you'll have a greater understanding of dogs, dog intelligence, capability and reliability than probably any other material widely available to the amateur trainer. I have several dog intelligence books published since 2011 showing science is just catching up and reporting amazing discoveries of theory and knowledge that exists in these nearly 100 year old manuscripts.

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Good stuff there Charlie. I will put those books on my list of things to acquire.

I made a vow to myself when we first got Lilly, knowing that she came from a place where she was likely slapped around and we know for a fact that she was caged when she did wrong, that no matter what she did, she was not going to be hit or yelled at, as a form of punishment. We replaced a lot of throw rugs in the first few months. And no nose in the accidental poo or pee on the floor, just trips outside more often and praise for doing it outside. Accidents were actually rare. I've seen dogs cower at a raised hand or a belt removed...... my girl doesn't know that fear. I only raise my voice if she's in danger such as running toward a road, then it's to call her back.

So from the very beginning the only kind of training she has had is positive reinforcement when she does right. When she does something wrong or even bad, the result is no attention and then we do it right and she gets a reward and treat. I use a lot of treats, especially early in her training on something new.

At our SAR training, everyone uses a specific toy as a reward.... ball, frisbee, kong. They throw it and the dog grabs it and plays then of course, they have to get it back and put the dog back to work. I've seen several of the trainers with advanced SAR dogs, mission certified, struggle for upwards on a minute to retrieve the toy from the dog's mouth. With Lilly, I simply tell her to release it and she drops it in my hand or on the ground at my feet. If she shows any hesitation, I use a treat. When we play kong & frizz, she returns the toy to me 90% of the time with no fuss.

Good to know someone else here is involved with advanced dog training.


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