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As s Sax player playing any key the vocalist wants is a given. As a solo BIAB performer, singing 18 out of 20 songs in an hour set, you bet I am going to change my vocals to comfortable keys for my vocal range. In hundreds of performances only one time has anyone commented about my altered keys and that was a fellow musician who sings some of the songs in HIS key
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Maybe it's comforting to know the original singer sang it in the key that was comfortable for them! Just a thought!
Chad (Hope that makes it easier) TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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I think you are correct. My band has been doing Bob Segar tunes for years and I used to screech it out in the original key and blow my voice out. We moved them into a more reasonable key and no more blow outs and it sounds much better to me. I guess the key for me is to record it and evaluate. Then we'll see if anyone complains that I am doing it in the wrong key. No one will likely notice the key. They will notice that you are screeching and can't sing it in the original key.....they won't know the part about the key, they just know you're butchering the vocal part and that equates to "you really suck" in their minds. Always sing a song in YOUR comfort range. Transpose if necessary. But either own the song or don't sing it. bottom line: THIS^ in our worship band our WL transposes the key all the time to fit his range AND to fit what the congregation will be able to sing along with. if we're singing songs the congregation can't sing because they're too high, then why do them? that kind of applies for bar bands, too. there will be people singing along if they can reach the notes. if not - Herb's exactly right - they'll notice if YOU can't hit the notes with confidence and will not think anything except that "he can't sing."
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When I used to play with our worship group Eb seemed to be the key of choice......used to drive me crazy
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Pedward, Seems common with those blinking horn players. (Sorry, Matt Finley and Bob Norton) Ducking the flying brass.
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Pedward, Seems common with those blinking horn players. (Sorry, Matt Finley and Bob Norton) Ducking the flying brass. Don, you gotta have big brass you-know-whats picking on those two gentlemen
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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When I used to play with our worship group Eb seemed to be the key of choice......used to drive me crazy YEP! and Bb!
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When I used to play with our worship group Eb seemed to be the key of choice......used to drive me crazy I played in a wedding band with horns and the keys of choice were Eb, Bb and Ab. That was a great education for this young at the time guitarist.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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I transpose everything more or less (The price of being a Baritone.) I'm now experimenting moving stuff around to see how it changes my voice. I record everything for analysis. I blame you lot...... lol
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When I used to play with our worship group Eb seemed to be the key of choice......used to drive me crazy Not a problem for some though. I reckon it is about the best key for Jazz tunes. There's something about Eb...
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For a guitarist it can be a pain.....I learned to live with it but E sure would have been easier.....
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Pedward, Seems common with those blinking horn players. (Sorry, Matt Finley and Bob Norton) Ducking the flying brass. Don, you gotta have big brass you-know-whats picking on those two gentlemen Mario, Yeah, I'm keeping my brass covered!
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I choose from about a dozen instruments in concerts and gigs, and I'm not counting five trumpets as five, just one. This afternoon's concert, I'm bringing four instruments and that's a record low. But piccolo trumpet counts for two, I guess, since it's such a beast.
Anyway, they are pitched in F, G, A, Bb, and C. You pick a key, I'm all over it with something.
And Bob is better than me.
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Us drummers hate it too! Especially drop tuning the cymbals. What a pain!
Chad (Hope that makes it easier) TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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Pedward, Seems common with those blinking horn players. (Sorry, Matt Finley and Bob Norton) Ducking the flying brass. Don, you gotta have big brass you-know-whats picking on those two gentlemen Mario, Yeah, I'm keeping my brass covered! Good answer!
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Us drummers hate it too! Especially drop tuning the cymbals. What a pain! ah, so it's always the drummers' fault that no one is in tune with each other, eh?
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Us drummers hate it too! Especially drop tuning the cymbals. What a pain! ah, so it's always the drummers' fault that no one is in tune with each other, eh? Well, I don't know about being in tune, but I've played in some bands where it was the drummers' fault that no one else was able to hear each another.
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Last edited by HearToLearn; 12/11/15 05:55 PM.
Chad (Hope that makes it easier) TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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