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Playing on the AND #320489 11/25/15 05:38 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa A Antho1965 OP Journeyman
OP Antho1965 Journeyman A Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa	s there a way to get BB to pay a chord on the AND beat between say beat 2-3? I have tried the 8th and 16th pushes on the 2 beat and that doesn't work. What I am trying to have play is a quick chord change on the AND after the second beat going into the 3rd. When I leave in on the 2nd beat it sounds very mechanical for lack of a better term.

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320497 11/25/15 06:22 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,866 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,866 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Just to make sure - a Push in BIAB means that the chord will sound earlier than placed. Push means 'ahead of' or in other words 'before the beat'. To get a chord on the AND of 2, you want to push to be on beat 3. So, try an 1/8th note push on beat 3. As far as sounding mechanical, other than trying a different drum style, you can experiment with Play menu, Slide Tracks to loosen up the feel of selected instruments. Of course, RealTracks in general sound far less mechanical than do MIDI tracks. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320657 11/26/15 03:04 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC	My take on it.... I look for the path of least resistance. I would know that I'm taking this ultimately to my DAW, Sonar. So I would simply use an audio edit in Sonar to move the chord to the proper place. I know that's not what you're probably looking for, you want to do that in BB, but rather than try to figure that out, I'd simply make the edit later. To me, BB is a composition tool. RB makes the audio tracks. Sonar makes the project a finished project. You can use one of several methods in Sonar to accomplish the "and" chord flawlessly. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320680 11/26/15 04:26 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa A Antho1965 OP Journeyman
OP Antho1965 Journeyman A Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa	Matt and Guitarhacker... Great options and advice thank you... Matt, I was thinking push meant ahead so that explains why when doing pushes in BB it is not sounding how I expect it to, cause it's being played earlier rather than later. Ahhh...I think this may be the answer but we'll see. Guitarhacker... Yes I agree with your proposal, however seeing as this feel is throughout the song it would be a bit of a pain...if it was only a few here and there I would likely do exactly what you stated. Thanks guys..as always quick and great advice.

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320864 11/26/15 05:27 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Antho1965 Journeyman A Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa	Ok so the bar looks like this... and C now plays the push correctly, however the G should be on the 3rd note where the ^C now resides. 1 2 3 4 G ^C G I'm just a quick flip to the C from the G...and musically should look like this, sort of... 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 G C G So am I SOL?...

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320868 11/26/15 05:36 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,125 Winston-Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,125 Winston-Salem, NC USA	Tony, I assume you want chord 3 to last for the remainder of the bar? If so, try changing the third chord to a hold (three dots begind the note name like G...) I don't think BiaB 2015 will recognize a hold on chord 3 or 4 of a bar but it never hurts to try. If that doesn't work then, yes I agree, you're SOL. Last edited by JimFogle; 11/26/15 05:42 PM. Reason: add poor humor attempt Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320869 11/26/15 05:41 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,866 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,866 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Jim is correct. You can have a chord on the beat, or pushed earlier, but not both. And there is a maximum of four chords per measure. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320870 11/26/15 05:49 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa A Antho1965 OP Journeyman
OP Antho1965 Journeyman A Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa	Yes I want the G on the 3rd note (last note) of the bar and the accent/push of the C on the AND of 2. And I have tried all the combinations I can think of for this so I think it comes down to being a limitation of BB and that I am SOL... One can only hope that BB 2016 may bring me an answer to this issue.... Thanks guys...

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320871 11/26/15 05:50 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,125 Winston-Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,125 Winston-Salem, NC USA	Tony, I'm going to ask a question. What are you wanting to achieve? Are you using RealTracks? I assume you're trying to get some kind of instrument riff or bass run and that's what you need more than the chords, is that correct? The reason I ask is, for this one bar, why not switch to midi instead of trying to force a RealTrack to do something it is not designed to do? Once you add effects to the tracks, it may not be that noticable that you switched instruments (real to midi) for one bar. You might be surprised at how well it works. Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320872 11/26/15 05:55 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,866 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,866 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	I also use MIDI to accomplish much even within the RealTracks. There are workarounds. Doubling the number of measures and adjusting the tempo and style can work. There are also aftermarket styles such as those by Notes Norton. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320908 11/26/15 10:26 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,355 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,355 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: Antho1965 Yes I want the G on the 3rd note (last note) of the bar and the accent/push of the C on the AND of 2. Hi Tony I got a little confused now. if the 3rd note is the last note in the bar, then is this a waltz time signature or do you mean you want the G on the 3rd beat of the bar? Trev BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320934 11/27/15 03:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,099 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,099 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	Originally Posted By: Antho1965 Ok so the bar looks like this... and C now plays the push correctly, however the G should be on the 3rd note where the ^C now resides. 1 2 3 4 G ^C G I'm just a quick flip to the C from the G...and musically should look like this, sort of... 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 G C G So am I SOL?... No, you are not. Norton Music has EXPANDED styles that allow you to put 8 chords per measure. I can put chords on each of the following beats 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & I wrote these EXPANDED styles exactly for the situation you are talking about. It works by turning each of the BiaB cells in the matrix+ into half measures and creative styles that also tread each BiaB cell as a half measure. You have to double the tempo, but since the EXPANDED style works at half speed, it sounds perfect. Go to http://www.nortonmusic.com/styledemo.html and look for styles with the word EXPANDED In the description. Insights, incites and a few problems solved by Notes Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320944 11/27/15 04:46 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa A Antho1965 OP Journeyman
OP Antho1965 Journeyman A Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 343 Ottawa	The song is in 4/4 time... What I am trying to do is have a little push with the C after the first G in beat #1. So it's an eighth note (I believe). 1---2---3---4 G-----C-G--- Think of the song(if you know it) Bo Diddly...those quick changes that happen... Norton Notes, sounds like you have done some awesome work here, I will check it out... Thank you

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #320946 11/27/15 05:01 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,395 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,395 Wauconda	This has been on the list of "top 3 requested items" going back to the beginning. NN solved the problem for midi, but there is little to no fix for Real tracks. That's just the way it is... Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: Playing on the AND DrDan #320967 11/27/15 06:05 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,846 Derry,Ireland musiclover Veteran
musiclover Veteran Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,846 Derry,Ireland	Originally Posted By: jazzmandan This has been on the list of "top 3 requested items" going back to the beginning. NN solved the problem for midi, but there is little to no fix for Real tracks. That's just the way it is... You never know, it might be added feature number 2 (64 bit being number one) of the 50 new features in band in a box 2016. Musiclover Musiclover My music https://www.youtube.com/user/donegalprideofall Windows 10 (64bit) M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Band in a Box 2024, Cubase 13, Cakewalk and far too many VST plugins that I probably don't need or will ever use

Re: Playing on the AND musiclover #321104 11/27/15 11:53 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,799 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,799 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: musiclover Originally Posted By: jazzmandan This has been on the list of "top 3 requested items" going back to the beginning. NN solved the problem for midi, but there is little to no fix for Real tracks. That's just the way it is... You never know, it might be added feature number 2 (64 bit being number one) of the 50 new features in band in a box 2016. Musiclover If they only did feature one and two and forgot about the other 48 I would be a happy camper! Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #321108 11/27/15 11:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,355 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,355 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: Antho1965 The song is in 4/4 time... What I am trying to do is have a little push with the C after the first G in beat #1. So it's an eighth note (I believe). 1---2---3---4 G-----C-G--- Think of the song(if you know it) Bo Diddly...those quick changes that happen... Norton Notes, sounds like you have done some awesome work here, I will check it out... Thank you OK, Understand now. I think this will be a little challenging with Real Tracks in the current BiaB, but Notes idea is probably worth pursuing. Trev BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Playing on the AND Antho1965 #321288 11/28/15 05:02 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,099 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,099 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	If you get a good sound module like the Ketron SD-2 the real tracks and MIDI tracks can coexist just fine. Pick the best for the song you are working on. There are advantages to both formats, and IMO there is no reason to throw out one for the other. EXPANDED styles will do exactly what you want. Insights and incites by Notes Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

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