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#32108 - 08/18/09 04:51 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: pwhack]
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I'm not sure from taking your two questions together that you fully understand the difference, so let's try to be very clear, and if I'm mistaken, I apologize in advance.

As I understand it, there are three ways to use Real Tracks:

1) WMA files that are converted on the fly to WAV equivalent. This means the sound of the WAV file generated temporarily is the same as the WMA compressed file. This is the default way that Real Tracks operate.

2) Convert the WMA files in a folder to WAV. Same quality as #1. The benefit is that your Real Tracks will generate a bit faster. The drawback is that the files take up about 10 times as much space.

3) The Audiophile version, WAV files that were never compressed (like the WMA files were), and therefore load fast, sound best, but take up more space like in #2.

So, to your question #1, as far as I know, there is no such thing as audiophile Real Drums, just Real Tracks, and the rest of your question is True.

Your question #2 implies that you can convert non-audiophile to audiophile, and this is False. Perhaps you were just asking how long it takes to uncompress WMA files into the sound-equivalent WAV files? I don't know that answer, because I use the audiophile version and it was a long time ago I did the uncompress operation (before I bought the audiophile version), but I recall it took some serious time to finish.
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#32109 - 08/18/09 04:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: pwhack]
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The audiophile edition is the original WAV files for RealDrums and RealTracks. The standard format is WMA (Windows Media) compressed files (which can be converted to WAV, but still incurs the hit of the lossy compression).

The WAV file sound of the Audiophile edition is as close to the original as you will get, but it is at the cost of many times the disk space. With the audiophile edition, since you don't have to convert the WMAs when generating the song, the performance is also somewhat faster. Also, you don't end up essentially double compressing the files when you ultimately convert your mixed song to WMA or MP3 (a compressed file that's compressed again loses a lot more fidelity). Most people probably wouldn't notice (since everyone listens to MP3s these days anyway), so it's up to you. The audiophile format will give you the best sound at the expense of a lot of hard disk storage.
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#32110 - 08/18/09 05:09 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: jford]
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Thanks Matt and john for your quick replies, which has cleared things up for me.

Thanks again,

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#32111 - 08/19/09 03:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: pwhack]
Wiz Offline
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sorry , but I am having trouble figuring out ..

so, I own ultra pak 2009 on USB hard drive...

how much is it for me to upgrade to 2009.5 audiophile

cheers

Wiz

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#32112 - 08/20/09 04:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Wiz]
Wiz Offline
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Never mind, i just ordered the normal updaate......8)

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#32113 - 08/25/09 11:38 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Wiz]
Mike sings Offline
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I own the 2009 ULTRA on usb hard drive (non audiophile) and was considering upgrading to 2009.5 audiophile, seems like a good time to do it...

I contacted support and was told the cost would be 529 USD.....seems really expensive, is that correct.

Seems like a good time for PG to offer customers an incentive to go from non audiophile to audiophile...

cheers

Wiz




I own BiaB 2009 everything PAK and had the same question mailed to the salespeople. Though the answer was very quickly returned (great service !), it did find it very strange to see the price I had to pay for the upgrade (US$ 529).
I am most willing to pay for upgrades. And the upgrade to 2009.5 with the new RT's is priced fairly. I also don't mind to pay an additional price for the upgrade from WMA files to the exact same files in WAV.
But $440 seems a bit ridiculous to me! ($529(upgrade 2008 to audiophile)-$99 (upgrade summerpak) = $440 (for upgrading WMA to WAV!)

I would very much like to see a (fairly priced) upgrade option from WMA to WAV.

Still: BiaB is a fantastic and powerfull piece of software, second to none!

By the way: can anyone point me to the differences between SummerplusPAK and the Ultraplus PAK? The only difference to me seems to be the HDD. (that goes for people who allready have the EverythingPAK that is....)


Edited by Mike sings (08/25/09 11:41 AM)
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#32114 - 08/27/09 01:51 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Mike sings]
Mus Offline
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Not shipping for 3-5 business days is that right? Not even for downloads?

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#32115 - 08/27/09 03:09 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Mus]
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Electronic Delivery (Downloads) have always been available immediately at purchase if you remember to check that option when you order.


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#32116 - 08/28/09 12:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: PeterGannon]
Debby Offline
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I just upgraded to 2990.5 and the real tracks. My problem is when I closed BIAB I got a little box that popped up in the lower right corner telling me I have an External exception C000001D at: 05A777E8 and I can't get rid of it! Everytime I click either on OK or the X to close it it just duplicates itself and after clicking on it 4 times the duplicated box goes but I still have the original box. How do I get rid of this? I re-opened BIAB and everything seems to work properly, I just can't get rid of that box.

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#32117 - 08/28/09 02:01 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Debby]
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CTRL + ALT + DEL should show the window and you can close it there. I would also recommend a re-boot and a 'restore to factory settings'.

2990.5?? Are you time-travelling? Does BIAB still exist that far in the future? Is the world still here?
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#32118 - 08/29/09 03:46 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: WienSam]
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CTRL + ALT + DEL should show the window and you can close it there. I would also recommend a re-boot and a 'restore to factory settings'.

2990.5?? Are you time-travelling? Does BIAB still exist that far in the future? Is the world still here?



Didn't you get the email Sam? BIAB 2991 will be released at Christmas.....we're Beta testing it now.
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#32119 - 08/29/09 08:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Wiz]
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I just bought the 2009.5 upgrade on usb drive. but couldn't resist the urge to start downloading it. Unfortunately, I am having trouble with two of the files... realtracks set 61 (ballads) and 65 (alt country) won't download (for me) for some reason.

61 just times out, won't even get to the download dialog... and 65 goes to the DL dialog, then stays at zero progress forever.

I haven't gotten to all of the downloads yet, as I'm skipping around.. so there may be others that don't DL as well... but thought I should post here in case others have had the same problem with 61 and 65

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#32120 - 08/29/09 08:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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Try them again at a later time, maybe even the next day.

If the problem persists, contact PGMusic Sales directly about it.



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#32121 - 08/29/09 09:03 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Mac]
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Try them again at a later time, maybe even the next day.

If the problem persists, contact PGMusic Sales directly about it.



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yeah, my first thought was: "it's the weekend and a new version has just been released, the file server is probably blitzed..." But I've been trying all day, and all other files have loaded the first time, while these two have failed in exactly the same way multiple times over the past 12 hours.

As you suggest, I'll email sales about it if they don't DL tomorrow.

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#32122 - 08/31/09 06:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Upgrading from 2009 version to 2009.5 [Re: Pat Marr]
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Hello Pat,

If you're still having trouble, I suggest clearing your browser cache / temporary internet files, then trying the download again.
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