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I'm not sure if anyone else has this, where you just LOVE listening to overly produced music. Believe me, I pretty much love it all, especially the stripped down stuff, but every so often I just lose myself it some overly produced music. You know the kind...where the production pretty much makes or IS the song! I'm I alone in this? (It drives my wife a little crazy, I'm sure  )
Chad (Hope that makes it easier)
TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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Is there really such a thing as "over-produced music"?
There probably is.... but more likely I think, from the amateurs who try to cram every production chop/technique/trick they've ever heard into a simple song that doesn't need it.
Most of the pro stuff is like.... if it's there, it's probably there for a specific reason. Although, not all reasons are equally valid and much depends on the listener too.
The next question to ask is... do I really want to expound on this topic? and the answer to that is, nope.... I have things to get done today.
Suffice it to say that my personal philosophy regarding music and it's production, is generally, "Less is More". Keep it simple and only use something, be it an instrument, a harmony, an effect, or some other production technique if it adds to the music and makes it better. Don't do something just because you can.
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Is there really such a thing as "over-produced music"?
There probably is.... but more likely I think, from the amateurs who try to cram every production chop/technique/trick they've ever heard into a simple song that doesn't need it.
Most of the pro stuff is like.... if it's there, it's probably there for a specific reason. Although, not all reasons are equally valid and much depends on the listener too. Agreed. But if you don't include that statement, someone always comes back and says "see, that's over-produced. I like a harmonica and a singer. That's it!" The next question to ask is... do I really want to expound on this topic? and the answer to that is, nope.... I have things to get done today. Ha! I can so relate to that! There are way too many posts I could, or would like to reply to but simply don't have the time. They do interest me though. Suffice it to say that my personal philosophy regarding music and it's production, is generally, "Less is More". Keep it simple and only use something, be it an instrument, a harmony, an effect, or some other production technique if it adds to the music and makes it better. Don't do something just because you can. Again, I so agree. Add it if it serves the song, not the ego. I was listening to Depeche Mode and feel they do so much to keep your ear interested...probably because there wouldn't be much to their songs otherwise. So I feel their songs need it to be anything. I was also listening to Tom Petty. Also VERY produced...in a TOTALLY different way. That production approach is "what is the grove and mood?" It's also very deliberate from a production standpoint, but it's the exact opposite of DM. Tom Petty tries to take OUT anything that doesn't serve the song! One only ADDS if it serves the song. They other takes OUT anything that doesn't serve it. I found that really interesting. Thanks for the reply. I was actually hoping you would...and even expand on what you said a bit, but I respect your time. I pick up on what you mean from many of your other posts. Thanks again!
Chad (Hope that makes it easier)
TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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"The Days of Wine and Roses" as recorded by Henry Mancini
"Georgia" as recorded by Ray Charles
"Lucky Man" as recorded by Emerson, Lake & Palmer
"El Paso" as recorded by Marty Robbins
"Whole Lotta Love" as recorded by Led Zepplian
"Putting On The Ritz" as recorded by Taco
"Sylvie" as recorded by Matthews Southern Comfort
I could list recordings where I get lost in the song 24/7. Production is what first attracts me to almost any recording. There are recordings that I've heard for years that I can't cite the lyrics but smile just thinking about hearing the recording.
In most instances I think it is an effective use of delay and reverb to create a sense of space that gets me.
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"The Days of Wine and Roses" as recorded by Henry Mancini
"Georgia" as recorded by Ray Charles
"Lucky Man" as recorded by Emerson, Lake & Palmer
"El Paso" as recorded by Marty Robbins
"Whole Lotta Love" as recorded by Led Zepplian
"Putting On The Ritz" as recorded by Taco
"Sylvie" as recorded by Matthews Southern Comfort I will have to give these a listen. I love listening to hear what others hear...as best I can. Thanks for the list! I could list recordings where I get lost in the song 24/7. Production is what first attracts me to almost any recording. There are recordings that I've heard for years that I can't cite the lyrics but smile just thinking about hearing the recording. It's funny you say this! I was driving last night, and wanted to get the melody range of a song I've listened to hundreds of times over the last 2 months. I went to sing along with it and ending up humming it because I know so few of the words! I laughed to myself when I realized that. Even with humming, I kept stopping because I would start focusing on the production! In most instances I think it is an effective use of delay and reverb to create a sense of space that gets me. Oh my! Those are TWO of my favorites. It creates such an atmosphere in a song that effectively uses these elements. For me, it TOTALLY changes a song! So, like you, if you don't see my post for a day, I'm probably with headphones on, lost in a sonic world somewhere! I'm happy to hear I'm not alone! Thanks! 
Chad (Hope that makes it easier)
TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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"Sylvie" as recorded by Matthews Southern Comfort.
This is an easy and fun song to bring into BB or RB, run it through the ACW and overlay a couple of RealTrack FP&Strum acoustics to blend over the repetitive held chords of the original. It's like Glen Campbell playing with Crosby, Stills & Nash... and matches so, so closely it seems to have been recorded so as to be an original version...
It adds a lot of energy to the rather monotonous vibe of the original.
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These recommendations focus on the recording more than production after the recording: 1. Lyle Lovett's "She's Already Made Up Her Mind" from Joshua Judges Ruth. Visit a local Goodwill or thrift store - I see this CD there more than one would believe. It's worth it for the full spectrum audio. It's an absolutely amazing recording. Get the best headphones you can find for listening for even more of the magic. I don't really like Lyle Lovett, but I listen to this recording often just because of the quality of recording. Recorded and mixed by George Massenburg. 2. Another one I listed in a different post - Nils Frahm's "Solo", recorded on a prototype piano from the player's perspective. You hear the mechanisms and breathing of the artist. The longest bass strings are 12' long. It's an upright BTW, takes up two floors of the building that it's built into. This one is free with lossless download available. http://www.pianoday.org/3. For a catalog of recordings made with binaural recording (using a dummy head with microphones in the ear locations). For playback, headphones are a must, otherwise there are really weird artifacts when played back over speakers. www.http://www.binaural.com/binvct.html
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