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#297049 - 05/28/15 08:43 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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:-) Bob, very true. At the moment I just sing and play guitar, but I would like to get some millage out of the gear gathered over the years. We shall see. At least I'm getting some good pointers. The Voicelive 3 extreme might have a few people licking their lips though smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wl9B6Rg5f4


Edited by lambada (05/28/15 08:48 AM)
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#297051 - 05/28/15 09:09 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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After creating a song in BIAB, I drop it into a DAW and add additional parts (if needed). When creating the song in BIAB, I often add a couple of bars of held chords in case I want to use those somewhere in the final mix. Once all is done and the beginning and ending are adjusted to my liking, I save the song as a WAV file and play that through my laptop for live performances.

To me, there are at least three issues with using BIAB in a live performance.
1. Time lag when generating tracks, although locking the parts would help with that.
2. Making sure midi instruments are routed properly.
3. BIAB periodically drops an instrument from the track. Not a major deal in the studio, but a real pain if using it live.

This is what works best for me, but there are other talented people on this board that use a totally different workflow and if it works for them, that's fine with me.

Best


Edited by Takamine (05/28/15 09:09 AM)
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#297404 - 05/29/15 11:04 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: tonnie]
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Hi Tonnie

Just checking out your audio gear and clarifying my thoughts. I realised I already had the Roland UM, but just curious about the UA-1X (now the UA-AEX) and Roland XV-5050. Do you find this makes a huge difference to the sound rather than using the line out from a laptop? I guess it does. I have an SD 20, but was hoping to use soft synths as it would be simpler (I guess I could use the midi sounds in the guitar synth). Also given that I plan to use Realtracks rather than midi tracks I might just use midi for controlling pathches. I guess something similar to the UA-1X would improve Realtracks as well. My Asus tablet only has one USB3 output (a real drag) that runs the hard drive, so I'm not too keen to have other modules using it. (I had to move the realtracks off the internal drive as they were so big.) It does seem like wave files might be much simpler. I guess they also need a good audio out. grin I've been putting everything through a mixer/amp into a little PA. Now I'm wondering if the bass sounds/drums on the realtracks will be too much (lol).


Edited by lambada (05/29/15 11:19 PM)
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#297424 - 05/30/15 06:28 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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I find that most of the MIDI-sounds coming out of the XV-5050 are very realistic, but of course some are better than others.
I have never found the time to fiddle around with improving the sounds. E.g. the flute, soprano- and alto sax sound great, but tenor- and baritone sax not so great.

There are probably some newer multitimbral units available by now.
Of course I am very much into jazz, so I prefer realistic instrument sounds and asked the forum a while back about soft synths, but I found the answers not satisfactory.

Also my guitar synth (GR-33) also has some sounds that are good and others sound like “toys”!

Real tracks are preferable in jazz and bossa nova, but in some commercial and latin styles, MIDI styles are better (I think).

I run BiaB from my HP laptop’s hard drive and have only USB2 ports.
I use only one into a powered multi USB hub mounted inside my rack.

The Fender Passport 150 PA system I use looks like a Samsonite suitcase, but unpacks into two speaker and one mixer/amp units. Each speaker unit contains 6 speakers, of which the larges four are 5” Ø.

So this is not "big" enough for the faithful reproduction of a bass, bass drum etc. That is why I use the 1 rack unit crossover filter, feeding a.o. in the two bass amps.

But a PA with larger speakers (or with one powerful bass speaker) will simplify your setup.

Hope this answers some of you questions!

Tonnie

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#297425 - 05/30/15 06:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: 90 dB]
tonnie Offline
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Bob,

Loading a song takes less than 30 seconds, but I use that time to announce my next tune.

As I have never played in "outer Space", I must have been playing in the same real world as you.

Tonnie

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#297455 - 05/30/15 09:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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Maybe I should start a new thread, but I'll try here:

I like to play fiddle or guitar on stage and sing. I wish there was an upright bass player in the neighborhood that could accompany me. But there isn't. I love playing along with an upright bass.

However, some time ago, I discovered the real track bass in BIAB. At home, I like to isolate the base track and use my new zoom H5 multitrack recorder. First I lay down the base track and then overdub fiddle, guitar and or voice.

I wish I could take that bass track with me on stage so that I could have a virtual base backing me up on fiddle/guitar and voice. But I can't find any easy way to do that. I don't have a laptop but I have a new iPhone 6+. Maybe what I need to do is find a simple foot pedal to activate the BIAB bass track that is somehow connected through my iPhone and into the house PA sysstem. What ever the set up, it needs to be simple. It's hard enough to control all the variables so that you can begin playing back with just a bass track. If you don't start off perfectly, or you lose where you are in the song in the middle of the performance, it's a total disaster! :-)

Can anybody help me with a set up that would work for me? Thank you so much, Tom

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#297457 - 05/30/15 09:20 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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Originally Posted By: lambada
:-) The Voicelive 3 extreme might have a few people licking their lips though smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wl9B6Rg5f4


Holy Crap, that is Extreme. All the effects and changes pre-programmed in. No need to do a thing but hit play and sing. If I had all the time in the world along with the money...
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#297458 - 05/30/15 09:24 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: tonnie]
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Originally Posted By: tonnie
Bob,

Loading a song takes less than 30 seconds, but I use that time to announce my next tune.

As I have never played in "outer Space", I must have been playing in the same real world as you.

Tonnie




If you're taking a half a minute between songs, we're not playing in the same world. wink

Regards,

Bob
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#297459 - 05/30/15 09:42 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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I used BIAB for years live with success. I played guitar, with vocals, along with a sax player. Played straight from the “Jukebox” feature on a laptop, into a mixer, and into the PA system. Worked great. Would still be doing that, but, got into arranger keyboards, which is a whole new ballgame for providing backing tracks.

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#297485 - 05/30/15 11:55 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: tonnie]
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Originally Posted By: tonnie
Bob,

Loading a song takes less than 30 seconds, but I use that time to announce my next tune.

As I have never played in "outer Space", I must have been playing in the same real world as you.

Tonnie

Tonnie
Are your tracks are frozen? Loading a song and playing should take seconds.
Trev
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#297766 - 06/01/15 06:06 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: VideoTrack]
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Trev,

Loading a song takes no time at all, but there is this moment after I press the play button.

It seems to be depending on how many tracks (instruments) there are in a arrangement and if there are one or two harmonies applied.

You might have read in my earlier postings (under the same heading), that I only occasionally use frozen tracks, and then as few as possible.

Brgds,
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#297779 - 06/01/15 06:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: tonnie]
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If you freeze song tracks, but not, all, then playing the song will take some regeneration, which = some time

Why don't you freeze all tracks? What's the reason?

Is this time delay the same on other computers?

What's you computer spec? CPU, Memory, disk capacity etc?
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#297866 - 06/01/15 10:29 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
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I use biab all the time live. sometimes I go solo and then me and another guy do a duet. I'm playing just like I did when in a band. I don't have much as for video's though. I have posted some on facebook

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#297877 - 06/02/15 01:22 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: lambada]
lambada Offline
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Point taken re the videos everyone. What I'm finding interesting is the chatter, so keep it coming. I'm getting some ideas clear in my own head re how to go live and realising that BIAB isn't just guys doing songwriting in a bedroom/woodshed not that there is anything wrong with that. It's also kicking me into action (sort of.) Freezing would work for me as I'm busy enough with my other gear. Maybe wave files. It looks like I might need to get a decent audio interface for the tablet.
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#297888 - 06/02/15 04:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Using BIAB live [Re: VideoTrack]
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In my posting 27 May I wrote:

"First I use BiaB, since each playback is somewhat different, which I as a jazz oriented player prefer."

Tonnie

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