You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#130856 - 10/09/11 02:46 PM I need drum tips please
Sundance Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 3103
If you have tips on making the RD's "fit" a song beyond keeping the basic beat with a few fills please share. I'd like to get better at making the drums sound less generic and more song specific.

Thank you.
_________________________
Josie
Videos
Web
Soundcloud

Top
#130857 - 10/09/11 04:30 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Sundance]
Rachael Offline
Expert

Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 1606
Based on your number of posts, I assume you already know these but...

- The placement of part markers determines fills. Use fewer markers if you want fewer fills.

- Some drum kits have variations indicated by the ^ (ex: Disco^). You can specify a variation for your song or by Bar Settings.

- If you use RealBand, cut and paste of RDs to your heart's desire.

Hope this helps

R

Top
#130858 - 10/09/11 04:53 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Sundance]
Pat Marr Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/25/08
Posts: 6032
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC
Quote:

If you have tips on making the RD's "fit" a song beyond keeping the basic beat with a few fills please share. I'd like to get better at making the drums sound less generic and more song specific.

Thank you.




hi Josie! Hope all is well with you!
Here's what I do when I need song-specific drum parts:

1) I get as close as possible with a real track or midi drum

2) then I use my midi keyboard and set the midi channel to 10 so it works as a drum controller (Start a new track for this so you don't change the existing drum part)

3) as the song plays, I tap the keys to add hits wherever I need them. You don't have to be real specific... you can use the same key for all the hits... the important thing is to get the timing right

4) then you can drag the hits to the correct note/drum

5) if you don't want to drag the notes to the correct drum, the easiest thing is to pick one drum, for example , the kick drum, and play all its parts all the way through... then find each of the other drums (snare, tom, cymbals etc) and enter them one at a time on different tracks. (all of the tracks still need to be channel 10)


I used to spend HOURS searching for a drum part that was close to what I wanted... this approach is something you can do to get in the ballpark fairly quickly.

Top
#130859 - 10/10/11 05:27 AM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Sundance]
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 7631
Loc: Australia
Hi Josie,

When I put my drum tracks together, I have a couple of procedures I adopt.

Firstly, I listen to the BIAB-generated drum track and make a note of any riffs or breaks that I particularly like. If these do not occur in appropriate places in the music, I copy and paste them to the locations that I want them at. Drums are really easy to work with when it comes to joining audio segments.

Secondly, I volume shape the track to highlight the bits I want at different points in the music. The image below shows what one of my typical volume envelopes (in green) looks like after I've used a volume increase to highlight riffs/breaks.



Hope this offers some food for thought
Noel
_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#130860 - 10/10/11 08:48 AM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Noel96]
MarioD Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 7727
Loc: Hamlin NY
Hi Josie,

I have found that to make a drum track more song specific I use midi drums. I can place individual drum hits and/or parts anywhere I want. I can also create my own riffs. If you have a midi controller or drum pad you can also play your parts. The final results sound wise of course depends on how good your drum patches are. An inexpensive GM set will not sound as good as a more expensive sound set.

I hope this helps and good luck.
_________________________
It has taken me many years but I have finally figured out what I want to be...............younger!

Top
#130861 - 10/10/11 12:20 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: MarioD]
Robh Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 4161
Loc: California
I use a combo of both midi and RDs. I find sometimes Rds nail it perfectly, and sometimes not so. For cover songs I prefer to use midi drums from better midi files. I run them thru Jamstix, and then sometimes separate the drums to 8 outputs, so I can process them better.

I rfind that sometimes i want to get a more personal take on a cover tune, so i use RDs, and work with them to get a sound i like.
_________________________
Toshiba dual core Win 7 8 gig ram, BiaB, Realband, Studio one Professional, Melodyne, Gibson S-1, Carvin 980 Cobalt acoustic, Ovation legend 12 string, jazz bass clone, Fender Mustang III amp, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL interface, TC Helicon voiceworks.

Top
#130862 - 10/11/11 04:44 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Robh]
Pat Marr Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/25/08
Posts: 6032
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC
other cool tools included with RB:

1) insert midi drum track
EDIT > FILL TRACK WITH MIDI DRUM PATTERN >

You can pick a pattern and add it to the song as primary, secondary or tertiary drum track,, then edit as needed



2) drum grid editor.
ACTION > DRUM GRID EDITOR

It's very intuitive to use, and in a few minutes you can create a groove and insert it directly into the song. And since it's MIDI, you can edit it.

Its especially useful if you just want to add one recurring accent to an existing drum track. For example, I recently made a cover of a song that had a signature kick drum motif that I couldn't find in any real drums. So I used the closest RD, then created a drum grid that added only the part I needed to get the signature sound.
It was very easy, and it worked.

If you create a drum grid you want to use again, you can save it, and recall it using EDIT > FILL TRACK WITH DRUM PATTERN

Top
#130863 - 10/11/11 05:16 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Pat Marr]
John Conley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/28/03
Posts: 8333
Loc: London, Ontario, Canada
Post your address and I'll get out the saw. I have about 30 drum sticks and only need 2 for my grandson to play with, however I should part with those and make him play something else. Perhaps a piccolo for I can't really hear it.

I can burn the part that's not the tip.
_________________________
John Conley
Musica est vita

Top
#130864 - 10/11/11 10:52 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: John Conley]
Sundance Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 3103
John Conley you are a hoot. LOL!

I've discovered I have limited versions of Drumcore and Linplug drums that came with Tracktion. And there truly are some great drum tracks and fills in RB - just sometimes a bit overwhelming to find and sometimes still not exactly what you want. I was concerned about adding midi with the RD's but I'm going to try it.

Thanks everybody!
_________________________
Josie
Videos
Web
Soundcloud

Top
#130865 - 10/11/11 11:06 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Sundance]
John Conley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/28/03
Posts: 8333
Loc: London, Ontario, Canada
I'm a great horned if you think I'm a hoot.

When we were kids my dad built a fireplace and chimney from stone. The next year we woke up to see a snowy owl sitting on the grate. Dad put it in a big potatoe sack and let it go.

The bats were far more entertaining. I pretended it was normal while the siblings and Mom went under the table.

I was 14, and there was a tennis court across the road. It turned out to be game set and match, though it made quite a smear on the picture window when I tried to play volley with it.

We men have to take care of stuff like bears and big trout, caribou, musk oxen and mice. The latter are hardest. My wife sees one every hour. The traps remain empty.

Owls are one of the only birds I can hear now.

Turns out my hearing test were all messed up, I was told if I hear anything press the button. Over 2k I was pressing it but there was no tone, just a click. We figured that out a few weeks back and they say we can now fix things. Probably not.

I need just 2k to 3k jacked, at the end about 95db or I would need ear protection. So the ceiling fans are now really loud and the tires on the road drive me nuts. Eh bien.

It is what it is.
_________________________
John Conley
Musica est vita

Top
#130866 - 10/11/11 11:09 PM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: John Conley]
John Conley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/28/03
Posts: 8333
Loc: London, Ontario, Canada
4k and up btw, is useless. No amount of amplification brings it back, but the tone generators they use have a click. I can hear the click from 1.9 to 3 something then that goes.

I still laugh at the setting where they grab noise around 5k and drop it so I can hear it.
Cacophony comes to mind.

Charlie Chaplin would want us to sing Smile now. I love that song. Along with OP's Hymn.
_________________________
John Conley
Musica est vita

Top
#130867 - 10/12/11 01:09 AM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: John Conley]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 11933
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George, N...
When I take a BIAB song to SONAR for some finishing touches, I keep the MIDI drum track as well as the RealDrums track. Since my stiff is usually Brazilian jazz, I strip out all the instruments of the MIDI drum kit except possibly things like a triangle or bongo. Then I add cymbal crashes at key places, assuming the RealDrums are not quite enough. Sometimes I'll add a short tom-tom fill, things like that. With not much added, you can really punch up a drum part.
_________________________
"Brazilian Wish" CD 2-minute preview. Studio recordings of songs composed in Band in a Box.

Top
#130868 - 10/12/11 01:37 AM Re: I need drum tips please [Re: Matt Finley]
Pat Marr Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/25/08
Posts: 6032
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC
Quote:

When I take a BIAB song to SONAR for some finishing touches, I keep the MIDI drum track as well as the RealDrums track. Since my stiff is usually Brazilian jazz, I strip out all the instruments of the MIDI drum kit except possibly things like a triangle or bongo. Then I add cymbal crashes at key places, assuming the RealDrums are not quite enough. Sometimes I'll add a short tom-tom fill, things like that. With not much added, you can really punch up a drum part.




I've heard people comment that the real tracks/real drums and the MIDI stuff don't sound like they're in the same room. But to my ears, Matt, songs that do what you're doing have more of a dimensional sound. That slight variance in "location" is a GOOD thing where drums are concerned... especially if you enhance the effect by panning the separate drums to different sides of the drum set.

Top


Shout Box (Live chat with other users)

PG Music News
RealTracks Artist Quinn Bachand - Free Performance August 6th!

Quinn Bachand and Qristina Bachand are performing a free noon-time concert and live interview at CBC Vancouver on August 6th in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada!

And that's not their only August Performance! Visit http://www.qbachand.com/shows for a list of upcoming dates.

The Mac Special Ends July 31st! Only 2 Days Left!

Friday is the last day of our Band-in-a-Box 2015 for Mac special! Order now for great savings on most upgrade packages, and Bonus PAKs!

Place your order online at http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.packages.htm or call us directly to place your order!

Band-in-a-Box 2015 Mac Build 104 Patch

There is a build 104 update patch available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2015. Improvements include the addition of an Audio Settings dialog, updated PDF manuals, and a fix for bar settings volume changes.
Download the update here

Free Band-in-a-Box Workshop with John Kuzmich on August 12th!

John Kuzmich is offering a FREE Workshop highlighting Band-in-a-Box on August 12th!

Workshop information:
Date: August 12
Location: videoconference or Golden, Colorado
Time: 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.

John Kuzmich is a certified music technology authorized instructor for TI:ME (Technology Institute for Music Educators) and an enthusiastic user and promotor of Band-in-a-Box, which he describes as "the nearest software product to artificial intelligence in creating customizing play-along recordings."

For more information about John and this seminar, head to
http://www.kuzmich.com/clinics2/workshops.htm

Video: Band-in-a-Box for Mac - Import Audio File

With Band-in-a-Box 2015 for Mac, you can now Import Audio Files! We want you to see how easy it is, so
click here to watch a short tutorial video on our YouTube Channel.

This video can also be found on our Video Tutorials page.

To learn all about the new features in Band-in-a-Box 2015 for Mac, visit http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.new.htm

Video: Band-in-a-Box for Mac - The Big Piano Window

One of the new features in Band-in-a-Box 2015 for Mac is the Big Piano Window. Watch the YouTube Video to see it in action!

The Big Piano Window displays notes on a resizable keyboard while the song is playing with Band-in-a-Box.

To learn more about all the new features included in Band-in-a-Box 2015 for Mac, visit http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.new.htm.

SAVE on Mac Upgrade Packages Until July 31st!

There's still time to purchase the new Band-in-a-Box 2015 for Mac and SAVE on most upgrade packages and receive a Free Bonus PAK of Add-ons that includes 5 MIDI SuperTracks, 5 Artist Performances and 5 Instrumental Studies. Or upgrade to the 20-PAK or 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons with up to 49 UNRELEASED Bonus RealTracks (that’s in addition to the 101 New RealTracks for Band-in-a-Box 2015)!
Don't wait ‐ our special ends on July 31st!

Click here to learn more about the different Upgrade packages.
Learn more about Bonus PAKs here.

Forum Stats
23379 Members
37 Forums
34782 Topics
277661 Posts

Max Online: 1591 @ 03/15/15 04:12 PM
Newest Members
Kreska, das, TedG, abcdef654738, Bill Groves

23379 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Planobilly 147
Noel96 107
floyd jane 96
seeker 92
Janice & Bud 82
c_fogle 82
jford 79
gibson 76
solidrock 70
Sundance 70
Today's Birthdays
Lmoore, packerboy444, Patricio (Nashville Producer), sax80