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#33873 - 09/09/09 07:31 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Mac]
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I'd like to see a check box in the audio prefs.
" Consolodate audio when saving"
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#33874 - 09/09/09 08:39 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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Good idea.

BTW, you'll probably need to run a defrag after consolidating all those files. You did a lot of them, and there will likely be a lot of small half-track size spaces leftover.
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#33875 - 09/09/09 04:00 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: rharv]
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Well I"m afraid the fat lady hasn't sung yet.
Yesterday a consolidated song 1 played it through 6 times perfectly.Saved , reopened played perfectly.
Did this for a couple more songs perfect.
Spent the rest of yesterday and this morning just going through all 150 songs. Then I defragged the drive and made copies to 2 other drives.
Went to town & when I got back thought I'd settle in and play a few songs.
STUTTERING GRAPHICS JUST LIKE BEFORE.
Checked the event list and no multiple audio parts.
Redid the consolidate on a song and it plays perfectly. Saved & reopen it plays fine. Open another song and then reopen the one I just consolidated and stutter.

What is going on here!!!!!!!!!1
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#33876 - 09/09/09 04:52 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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Redid the consolidate on a song and it plays perfectly. Saved & reopen it plays fine. Open another song and then reopen the one I just consolidated and stutter.

What is going on here!!!!!!!!!1



Well either BIAB takes the file and does something to it or it might be a bad stick of ram. There should be a free ram test you can find on the net. It is a possibility that as you are moving files in and out of ram that a bad section comes up. I don't know if this is it, just another guess in a long line of head scratching. Wyndham

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#33877 - 09/09/09 05:08 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Wyndham]
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Done all the tests. HD, Ram, everything.
I've just deleted RB & BB. Ran CCleaner & Registry mechanic. Then I'm gonna try and run from the supplied external drive. The C disc is now only 30% full.
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#33878 - 09/09/09 05:38 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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silvertones
as your aware the net is littered with problems with laptops.
yes some folks luck out and get one that works well, but lots dont.
if you havent run this yet..
please do so and report back.
cos i'm finding the vast majority of lappies fail this test,
and that includes over 6 i tried this week.
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

please report back if you get red spikes etc etc.
when you get the stuttering probs...
how many audio traks does it start at ??
are you useing 44.1/16 ?? or higher rates ??
another question....
do you get probs at low trak counts ??


ps..is this your lappie with the slow internal drive ??
http://uk.shopping.com/xPF-TOSHIBA-P25-S5262-P25S5262-Factory-Serviced
please confirm.
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#33879 - 09/09/09 05:55 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: manning1]
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I'm reinstalling the program now so will have to wait until tomorrow to run the test.
Yes that is the lappy. I've upped the Ram to 2G & HD to 160.
Most recent test results.
Running the program from the external drive and songs on C stutters.
Moving songs to External, I say this carefully for now, seems fine.
Lawrie originally questioned the drive now I'm starting to wonder but if you've read the whole post It's confusing.
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#33880 - 09/09/09 07:31 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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silvertones
please run that dpc utility i linked to at the earliest.
cos it will report usefull info.
and post back what it says.
the fact that you report no probs with an external drive leads me to suspect that
win is cutting in to do its thing if useing internal drive for daw work.
a common problem with lappies.

when you get the stuttering run a process/task monitor at the same time..
to see which tasks are useing resources.
what many folks do is replace the slow internal drive with a 7200 rpm ,
and use an external hi performance drive as i said in an enclosure
to record to.
that internal you upgraded to , whats the rpm ??

it would be nice to know what audio trak counts are when you experience problems.
typically lots of internal drives cant keep up if useing
high sample rates n bit depths with high trak counts.
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#33881 - 09/09/09 08:09 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: manning1]
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What went on is simple enough, you did the defrag. '

However, multiple tracks of audio may not like being in contiguous data.

They like to be *interleaved* such that the head does not have to go as far a distance to find a buffer full of track 1, then a buffer full of track 2, then track 3, etc. before playing back that buffer. And then go through it all over again to fill the second buffer. etc.

Just let the program do the consolidation and leave it that way.


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#33882 - 09/10/09 07:31 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Mac]
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Mac,
Are you saying to not defrag once I've consolidated the files?
Manning1,
No sure if you read the whole post but this is strictly a video stutter. Audio is fine.
Ran the test and there are some red spikes. Disabled 1 item at a time with no change. Didn't disable the video card though.
I refuse to believe it's totally the fault of the lappy. If I load the same 10 tracks into Sonar or Adobe Audition the play 110% perfect. I can open the task MGR. I can open other screens and there's never an audio or video stutter. The meters react perfectly in time with the music and so on.


Edited by silvertones (09/10/09 08:16 AM)
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#33883 - 09/10/09 09:03 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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Mac,
You jogged my memory from wayyyyyyyyyyyy back.

http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Audio/interlv/Freeware.htm
And you can do a whole folder of songs and it fixed everything.

THE HANDY DANDY ANALOGX INTERLEAVE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

File interleaving does the exact opposite of a what a disk defragmentor does
(which puts files in sequential order)... So why on Earth would you want to in
essence 'fragment' a harddrive? Simple, when dealing with digital audio, it
needs to read a little chunk at a time from each file, so in this special case
(ie; multi-track digital audio), harddrive's fragmentation (the good kind) can
actually increase performance! And with that in mind, introducing AnalogX
Interleave!

AnalogX Interleave is a great utility for anyone who does hardcore multitrack
audio... It allows you to take files which you may have backed up or defragged
at some point, and basically 're-frag', or interleave them back into their
optimal state! It allows you to select any number of files, and interleave them
in one large chunk - you can even vary the interleave factor for each file
independently. Adding files couldn't be simpler, just select the files you want
to interleave (in the proper order, from the Windows explorer), and drag them
onto the Interleave dialog, doublecheck to make sure they are set up properly,
select the destination directory (must be different from the source), hit the
Interleave button, and away you go!

You really only have two options, one is to vary the size of the header of the
file, and the other is to vary the size of the contents.... Most file types (or
programs) write out files in nearly the same fashion every time; so if you're
using a Paris .PAF file, the header will always be 2048 bytes in size. WAV
files are a little bit trickier, but for the most part they almost always are
44 bytes; for any other formats, you'll need to contact the manufacturer of the
program you're using, and find out how they store it (don't contact me, I don't
know). Next, is the content size - this is just basically how many bytes are
being used by the sample; so if you're using a 16bit file, chances are that the
content size is 2 bytes; if it's a 24 or 32 bit file, chances are the content
size is 4 bytes. Once again, this varies from format to format, so check with
your manufacturer to find out how they do it. Here's a couple of the more
common sets:

File Type Desc Header Size Content Size
Paris .PAF 16bit audio 2048 2
Paris .PAF 24bit audio 2048 4
Wave .WAV 8bit audio 44 1
Wave .WAV 16bit audio 44 2
Wave .WAV 24bit audio 44 4
Wave .WAV 32bit audio 44 4

I would like to thank Brian Tankersley for motivating me to finally write this
super useful utility, a must for just about anyone doing digital audio or video.


Edited by silvertones (09/10/09 09:17 AM)
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#33884 - 09/10/09 09:31 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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That good old analogx code may fix this by undoing what you did to the files when defragging.

Could be faster than using PT's Consolidate on each song.

Might not be as great of a job as PT would do, might be better, dunno about that.


I tend to save Analogx interleave for use on only problem project files, I don't recommend blanket use of it all the time on everything ya got. Let the host program do what it likes to do with the files, but the interleave code can solve problems like the one you apparently have now.

Interestingly, I've never had to use it on the smaller projects like you are doing, but have found it to be useful for those projects using the big multichannel input soundcards sometimes. 16 tracks being recorded at once, or 8 tracks being recorded at once while 10 play back, stuff like that.

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#33885 - 09/10/09 11:23 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Mac]
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See we keep reading Defrag, defrag when in essance this is actually a problem. I had forgotten about this until I read the above Read Me file that comes with the program.
With faster drives it's probably not an issue.
I'm just letting it grind its way through the whole folder of 150 songs. It's easier then redoing one at a time. from then on I'll just let the program consolidate feature do its thing.
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#33886 - 09/10/09 11:37 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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See we keep reading Defrag, defrag when in essance this is actually a problem.




The savvy op knows that defragging the drive is a good thing, though. There are many other files and such that *should* be put into contiguous order on that drive.

It is just the .wav or probably hidden and categorized as .raw files associated with a multitrack audio project that benefit from the Interleaving. If you know where those are stored, you can indeed and should indeed still defrag your drives regularly, but then go ahead and apply the Analogx Interleave to the folders where those files only are stored.

A defrag program that can be told which files and folders to defrag and which to NOT defrag can be a good thing for the DAW user. "Defraggler" comes to mind and is what I use. That is why I let Analogx Interleave fall by the wayside with my Win98 DAW machine way back when.

Avoid the "digital" mindthought about these things: "1 or zero, yes or no, good or bad."

The reality often lies with knowing what to do and when to do it instead.


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#33887 - 09/10/09 11:45 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Mac]
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silvertones
what was the full dpc report ??
how many "us" reported etc etc. ??
if your getting red spikes that tells you something is amiss
and needs to be addressed/nailed down.
are the red spikes at the same intervals ??
regularly spaced ?? or random ??
if you can post a pic somewhere of the dpc screen mate.
it might simply be that the video tasks are consuming certain resource levels.
thus the sticky result.
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