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I just bought Vocaloid, and was a bit disappointed. But I guess it's just a learning curve I have to go trough.. Just wonder what experience u other guys have with it, and if I can ask advice here?
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I don't use one. I think there are a few folks here that do.
I would also investigate to see if there's a vocaloid forum. That's where you will get the experts helping you out and offering tips.
I know that a vocaloid, properly used, and in the right context and genre, can sound amazingly real. Certain types of music such as Celtic and other foreign language, as well as Japanese pop, sound pretty good with one. I am, however, no expert in those genre's. I heard the songs in other forums, found out it was a vocaloid and said... day-um, that sounds pretty good for that genre.
Don't try to use them on country music. Maybe for BGV ohhhs and ahhhs... but not as the lead singer.
I suspect you got it right when you said there's a learning curve.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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On this forum, David Cuny (DCuny) has the most experience with vocal synths, and has even written one.
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I believe that they are still a 'work in progress'.
No doubt they will continue to improve, but at this stage they are (in my opinion) not really usable. Although using the development and quality of currently available Text-To-Speech applications as a guideline, this shows enormous potential is still available.
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Hi Trygve, Have a look here and see what can be accomplished with Vocaloid. Vocaloid Sweet Ann
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I've used Vocaloid in a number of songs. Ask away! It would help to know the following: - What version of Vocaloid are you using?
- Do you have the full or "tiny" Vocaloid editor?
- What voice(s) are you using?
Obviously, the most important bit of information is what you're trying to do, and why you're disappointed with the results.
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Have a look here and see what can be accomplished with Vocaloid. Yes, Alberto has done some very impressive demos. A couple more thoughts: - Think phonetically. The Vocaloid dictionary is a mix between British and American pronunciation, so you can't rely on it. But more than that, the word you sing is often likely to be different that what you'll find in a dictionary. For example, you might find that "hit it" is better sung more like "hidid", and so on. Experimenting with replacement phonemes can get you closer to the sound you're after.
- You're likely to have to move things around rhythmically so they sound like a singer would phrase things, instead of where the notes are on a page.
- You'll often need to manually edit parameters to get the level of expression you want.
- Some Vocaloids are better suited for a type of a song than another. You can do your best to work around issues, but they'll still keep the basic character and attitude of the singer.
- All the singers have some sort of accent. Part of this is because the singer often aren't native English speakers, and I suspect some comes from the technology it uses.
But again, knowing what specific issue(s) you had would be helpful.
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Thank's a lot guys for tip and advice's... I have vocaloid 4 and Cyber Diva. My first disappointment was all the words that was not pronounced correctly, or very poorly.. I looked trough some tutorials and figured out how to make it sound better. My next disappointment was the result when I tried to import the final wave file into BB. Totally out of sync with the original song! This is the way I did it;
1. Drag and dropped the melody with lyric to the midi dropstation.
2. Imported this to vocaloid
3. Corrected the lyric and saved the result as wav.
4. Imported the audio to BB
So what might I have overlooked?
BTW; Herb, yes there is a forum, but they asked question I had no idea about just to join the Forum!
George; That song u linked to was just AWESOME! Will be very happy when I can have similar quality...
David; Ur work with synSinger will be interesting to follow...
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My first disappointment was all the words that was not pronounced correctly, or very poorly.. I looked trough some tutorials and figured out how to make it sound better. The other thing to keep in mind is that sung speech is connected speech - there often aren't gaps between words. Keeping that mind will help with naturalness. The CyberDiva voice is targeted at a more American pronunciation, both in the words in the dictionary, and the way the phonemes are said. It's also targeted to be a more "pop" voice, but personally I don't think it's one I'd use. My next disappointment was the result when I tried to import the final wave file into BB. If the vocal audio isn't starting at the correct time, you'll need to adjust the settings when you import into BiaB, making sure you account for the lead-in. If the vocal audio is starting at the right time, but gradually getting out of sync, make sure the BPM setting in the Vocaloid editor matches the setting in BiaB. To make sure things are in sync, you can export the backing track from BiaB into the Vocaloid editor. Using Render to Audio File found in the menu as Audio | Render to Stereo .WAV file etc.... Be sure One WAV File per Track is unchecked, Merge in Audio Track is checked, Include 2 bar lead-in is checked, and Delay at start (seconds) is zero. In the Vocaloid editor, set the BPM to the same tempo the song was at in BiaB. In the TRACK EDITOR window, double click the TEMPO at measure -3. A Global Tempo dialog box will pop up - enter the correct tempo in Tempo. Then import the backing track you created from BiaB into the Vocaloid editor: File | Import | Wave.... This will ensure that the vocal track is in sync when you create it. Once you've created the vocals in the Vocaloid editor, export them back. Keep in mind that the Vocaloid editor adds reverb by default, so before you render the .wav, go to View | Mixer and click Rev so it's not glowing. You can add reverb back in BiaB. When you import the .wav vocal from the Vocaloid editor back into BiaB using Audio | Import Audio (WAV, WMA, WMV...), use the default settings in BiaB of 0 : -1 : 1 : 0 to keep the lead-in. This should align things properly. You might find it easier to use RealBand or another DAW, especially if you want to use multiple vocal tracks. Did that solve your problem?
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Thank's a lot David ! This was really helpful ! Following ur instruction, I was now able to get my first song using Vocaloid, fully synchronized !
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Following ur instruction, I was now able to get my first song using Vocaloid, fully synchronized ! I'm glad to hear it! 
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Just one more question David; In sinsy, we can send directly and have it back to BiaB without any problem.. How come we cannot do the same in Vocaloid? I don't have any problem if I export and import to Vocaloid, both melody and accompaniment. But still cannot make it work when exporting the melody only and import back to Biab. Whatever I try, it always start one bar to late....
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But still cannot make it work when exporting the melody only and import back to Biab. Whatever I try, it always start one bar too late.... When you import back into BiaB, you can select an offset to correct this. There are four parameters in the Import Audio dialog. The first is Chorus, which should be left at 0. The next is Bar, which is -1 by default. Next is Beat, which is 0 by default. Finally, there is Tick. If you change the second value from -1 to -2 so there's a negative two bar offset, that should take care of the audio starting one bar too late. Another option would be to change the option in Render to Audio File, and un-check Include 2 bar lead-in. Of course, you'll have to account for this when importing in the audio by setting the Bar from -1 to 0. I should confess - most of the time, I work within my DAW with Vocaloid, so I don't usually have to fiddle with these parameters unless I'm playing around with synSinger.
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Oh, thank's a lot David for take time to help me out... It's really appreciated... There must be a problem with BiaB on this, because whatever setting I try, it always export with 2 bars lead in.. But after looking closer in to Vocaloid it self, I found the "Divide selected part" and by that I could delete those lead in bars, and then everything worked out in BiaB... So no all my disappointment is gone in the sea of forgetting...;) And I look forward to create songs with vocals now....
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