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#141048 - 12/15/11 03:00 PM Please post MIDI specific ideas here...
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With each release, we add MIDI features, and then hear from people "how come you don't add many new MIDI features?" or "the MIDI features you added add aren't the ones I wanted.". For example, here are the MIDI features we added in 2012 http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=340615&an=0&page=0#Post340615

So please tell us, what MIDI features you want added to Band-in-a-Box that aren't already there.
Note that there is a separate thread for MIDI styles here http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=342843&an=0&page=0#Post342843 . We have made 2,000 MIDI styles, but are happy to make more if people can suggest styles for us to make (We don't want to make a Jazz37.sty that sounds like Jazz36.sty)

Post the ideas in this thread, or if you've already posted them somewhere else, just point to them in this thread. Or if you agree with another user's post, add a +1 to it in the reply.
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#141049 - 12/15/11 03:44 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: PeterGannon]
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I would like the option to increase the ticks per quarter note above the current 120, to as much as 960. This would allow me to edit note timing in the same numbering system that I use in SONAR and other software. In SONAR, this setting is on a per project basis, which would correspond to a per song basis for BIAB.
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#141050 - 12/15/11 04:02 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: Matt Finley]
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+1, and would allow the resolution to match what I am doing in RealBand, as well.
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#141051 - 12/15/11 04:06 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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Unless I've missed a setting, I noticed the other day that when I play/record my keyboard through the "thru" track, I can hear the changes I make with the modulation wheel while I'm playing. However, when I play back what I recorded, it did not capture the mod wheel changes. It would be nice to be able to do this, as the mod wheel can add some nice effects to the sound. If folks don't want this, it could of course be a recording option.
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#141052 - 12/15/11 04:08 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: PeterGannon]
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Peter:

Still no fix for the Conductor problem with input from midi keyboard (also doesn't work in RealBand). As it stands, it really makes repetitive exercise practicing difficult.

See Kent and our previous correspondence for details.

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#141053 - 12/15/11 04:12 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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It's been mentioned many times, but it would be nice to be able to use many of the chords that folks have been asking for for a long time. It seems to me that since much of this is math, it should be easy to implement. Right off the bat, I'm thinking of:

dim - just the triad (root, flat 3rd, flat 5th)
dim7 - which is currently implemented as dim - allow us to distinguish between the dim triad and the dim7.
sus2 - this is different from the 2 chord, which adds a 2. The sus2 (like the sus4) would replace the 3rd with the 2nd and not play the 3rd at all.
a true "5" or power chord - too many of the styles play more than just the power chord (root and 5th), which conflicts with what's going on with the melody track

I don't know how any of this would work with RealTracks, but it would be great if we could at least start with MIDI.

Additionally, it would nice to be able to define your own chord that might not already be available (have a user chord list).
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#141054 - 12/15/11 04:19 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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Best is to have 8th note chord resolution, but if we can't get 8th note resolution, it would be nice to allow BIAB to take a MIDI style and properly expand it (a la Bob Norton's expanded styles) so that you could use double bars to allow 8th notes (and with pushes, you would get partial 16th note resolution). This seems like a just a math problem to me - all notes defined in a style get rewritten as double their current resolution (quarter note becomes half note, half note becomes whole note), and then double the tempo.

Better yet, overlay a new chord grid that shows 8 slots per bar and displays the original tempo to avoid confusion. Just a thought that would make a lot of folks happy.

Addendum - with Elastique, this might could even work for RealTracks.
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#141055 - 12/15/11 04:22 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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The MIDI embellisher feature allows you to choose either the melody or the soloist track. It would be nice to allow the embellisher to work on both tracks within the same song.
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#141056 - 12/15/11 04:24 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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It would be nice to MIDI versions of the RealDrums (if that were available) that match the playing on the RealDrums. That way, styles can play the same rendition in MIDI or Real.
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#141057 - 12/15/11 04:24 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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Allow proper timing parameters (in both BIAB and RB) to allow programs such as JamStix to work properly (in jam mode).
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#141058 - 12/15/11 04:27 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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Melodist (and soloist and harmonist) need to have selection filters implemented similar to the other pickers to make it easier to select an appropriate one.
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#141059 - 12/15/11 04:30 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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In the sequencer window, when you click the "Edit" button, add menu items to allow you to edit the particular channel in either piano roll or staff roll.
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#141060 - 12/15/11 04:34 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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Allow the various style picker choosers to preview the riffs of individual instruments (in stylepicker, in MIDITracks, in stylemaker, in hybrid stylemaker, in style wizard - did I miss any?

Especially with the new MIDITracks feature, this would allow previewing what a styles riff sounds like before committing to it.
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#141061 - 12/15/11 04:52 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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+1 to everything John said (whew, I'll jump in now before he posts more).

Can you give us some more specific parameters as to what is fair to ask for about "MIDI-specific ideas"? For example, could it mean anything about the 'core' of BIAB, like the 255-measure per-song limit? I don't want to rehash that if PG Music doesn't want that here.
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#141062 - 12/15/11 05:04 PM Re: Please post MIDI specific ideas here... [Re: jford]
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Quote:

Allow the various style picker choosers to preview the riffs of individual instruments (in stylepicker, in MIDITracks, in stylemaker, in hybrid stylemaker, in style wizard - did I miss any?

Especially with the new MIDITracks feature, this would allow previewing what a styles riff sounds like before committing to it.




A big +1, specially regarding the new MIDITracks.


Edited by Cerio (12/16/11 06:56 AM)

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