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#349927 05/15/16 04:41 AM
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Hi team,

Is it possible to generate a lead sheet with only chords and with the lyrics placed under the bars? I also use Musescore and to add lyrics, there must be notes. I just need chords and lyrics. The singer can do his own phrasing. Thanks.

- Lee


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Hi again everyone,

I've made some progress on my lyrics question. When I print to a PDF, I get approximately what I want, however, from the attached pic you can see some issues.

- I want to move the chords closer to the top of the staves. Found out how to do this. It's in the Preferences->Notation dialog box!

- I need to get rid of the annoying lines. I have no idea where they came from.

If I can get that far, I'll be 99 percent of the way there smile! Many thanks.

- Lee

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Hi again guys,

The lines appear when you select Lyrics below in the Print Options dialog box. Why are they there? Can we get rid of them??


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Okay, I've been answering everything so far, but now I really need your great minds to help me get rid of the lines seen in the attached picture. They appear in the Lead Sheet window and are carried forward all the way to the print phase.

At first, I thought they were some "non-printable" markers in PDF995 or Foxit, but they DO print. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks smile.


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Lee,


I've just been playing around with bar-based lyrics. I'm not sure that there's any way to remove the line. It's purpose seems to be to to separate and to help identify lyrics as opposed to instrument patches. This might be a Wishlist forum request.

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Thanks for the reply Noel. I've seen YouTube videos where the Lead Sheet is previewed and printed. There are no lines present in the preview. The lines are showing up in my preview. I have a show coming up soon where this BIAB feature would be most useful. I really hope there is a solution.


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We really need to sort out these lines! Any ideas folks???

The only way to get rid of them is by NOT displaying the lyrics. That's the whole point of a lead sheet. Somebody must be using this valuable feature without the major issue of lines.


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Lee,

If note-based lyrics are used, the lines do not show up. See below. I suspect the lyrics on the clip you've seen are note-based.



HERE is a link to a small article I put together on how to create simple note-based lyrics without the need to enter a melody. If you follow this tutorial, you will lose the line if you turn off the "Lyrics below" option. You can also turn off the note display.

The above image has a fully notated melody. BIAB lets me choose to print it like the above.

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Okay, thanks Noel!

So, it's safe to say the Bar based lyrics tool is really broken and you have come up with a work around until Peter's team can fix this.

Next issue - where do I adjust the font size for the lead sheet? When I click Lead Sheet-->Opt -->Notation Options, no matter what modification I apply to the lyric font, the lyric font size doesn't change.

This is a great program but all the drill down menus are VERY confusing. Too many trap doors!

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Okay, I found the font size adjustment. You use the percentage scale option box. This is totally counter intuitive to every GUI I've used. The font size option box is always used. What gives?


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>>> The font size option box is always used. What gives?

If font size was used, you'd need to change the font size many times during program operation, because the font size changes depending on the number of staffs displayed, (which changes with each song). A % setting is a "set once and forget it."


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Okay, thanks Peter. I used the percentage successfully, however, the Notation fonts also change. They become VERY large smile. Is there an independent control for each?


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Hi Lee,

Originally Posted By: Lee Batchelor
So, it's safe to say the Bar based lyrics tool is really broken and you have come up with a work around until Peter's team can fix this.


....it's not broken. That is how it works by design. If you're like to be able to turn the line on and off, simply put a request in the Wishlist forum.

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Okay, thanks Noel.


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Actually Noel, there is a way to differentiate the two. In the Print Options dialog box, you can set the font just for the printed lyrics. This setting leaves the Chord view fonts alone. Thanks.

Now I would love to find out how to get rid of the lines when you use the Bar based lyric entry method. It works for the Note based entry, which is far more cumbersome even with the neat idea you presented earlier.


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Originally Posted By: Lee Batchelor
Hi again guys,

The lines appear when you select Lyrics below in the Print Options dialog box. Why are they there? Can we get rid of them??


You are quite correct about the lines appearing when you select "Lyrics Below". I was the vert first to comment after the new upgrade 434 was issued and I raised the same complaint. Since nobody said anything or offered a solution, I thought it must be some peculiarity of my operating system. So I am pleased that someone else has now confirmed that it is a general problem.

I always use note-based lyrics and I have discovered a fix, even though it does sound a bit strange. All you have to do is leave the all the other settings the same and select "Lyrics Above". The lyrics are then below and the line disappears - strange a solution as it may seem. It works for both treble and bass clef lead sheets.

In respect to lead sheets, there is one good thing about the latest update 434 in that you can now at least use the "Print" button to "Print Options" window. With the previous release 433 this was not functioning and it was necessary to use the "Lead Sheet Window".


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Thanks, Graham. Glad to hear the underline anomaly is not specific to my program. I tried placing the lyrics on top and they did actually move over the staves. So, on my system at least, that option does work. How does one request a "look see" into this issue with Peter's development team. I'm sure they could fix the issue and put forth a patch.

One other anomaly I notice - when you select Lyrics Below in the dialog box, and then click Print Preview, your choice is not saved. The options always revert to Custom. I would think your choice would remain for that project. We need to get BIAB to remember the desired default setting. Perhaps it can be done in Preferences, but I haven't found it yet.


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Graham, you are correct! When I choose Lyrics Above, they are placed below the staves with no lines! I think there's something fishy here with the code smile. We need to bring this to Peter's attention.

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Lee and Graham,

That's great sleuth work!

Lee, I suggest you send an email to Support. Briefly outline the problem and include a link to this thread so they can read through it all.

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Will do, Noel. Thanks.


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Noel and Graham,

Product support sent me a test file to see if my system and theirs are producing the same strange anomaly. It is, therefore, I think Peter's team is looking into the whole lyrics code. It's unnecessarily complicated and doesn't work. I expect we'll see a patch that fixes the issue in the next month or so. Hang in there. They're on it.

- Lee


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Lee,

Thanks for the update.

By way of background information, bar-based lyrics are new to BIAB 2016. Prior to that, if you wanted to accomplish putting lyrics in each bar, it was necessary to do something like what I did in my short tutorial. I imagine that there will be a number of developments yet to come in relation to bar-based words. It's good to know that work is progressing.

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