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Hi everybody

I read about making Realdrums but I cant find any info on odd signatures.

What if I want to use 3/4, 5/4, 7/8, 9/8 etc etc

Is there a tutorial for dummies somewhere perhaps ?


I've read this

http://realband.org/tutorial-drums1.html

http://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_realdrums_stylemaking.htm


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The last thing you would need to do would be that if your style were a waltz (3:4) style, you would need to change "TimeSig=4" to "TimeSig=3". If, however, you are making a 4:4 style, your style is ready to be used!

TimeSig=3

This would be used if you are making a waltz style. The line can simply be omitted when making 4:4 styles.

In the style picker you can choose a TimeSig then have a look at the drum's text file in the the real drums folders x:\Drums


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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
The last thing you would need to do would be that if your style were a waltz (3:4) style, you would need to change "TimeSig=4" to "TimeSig=3". If, however, you are making a 4:4 style, your style is ready to be used!

TimeSig=3

This would be used if you are making a waltz style. The line can simply be omitted when making 4:4 styles.

In the style picker you can choose a TimeSig then have a look at the drum's text file in the the real drums folders x:\Drums



Again ! -What if I want to use 5/4, 7/8, 9/8 etc etc when making my own Realdrums???

Is it possible ?


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When you went to the style picker and chose list by 9/8 TimeSig then looked at what drums where listed, then opened that drum's text file, what TimeSig=X was in it ?

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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
When you went to the style picker and chose list by 9/8 TimeSig then looked at what drums where listed, then opened that drum's text file, what TimeSig=X was in it ?


I will check it once I'm home but why are they making it so complicated ?

Just like Tempo, Time signature is an elementary musical ingredient ???


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Just select the Time Signature in band in a box or real band and the program will do the rest.

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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
When you went to the style picker and chose list by 9/8 TimeSig then looked at what drums where listed, then opened that drum's text file, what TimeSig=X was in it ?


Only 2 are listed with this Time Signature

CRKWOODS and Exotic1

But there doesn't seem to be any text file that belongs to either one of them ???

Same if I pick another time signature like 12/8 ???


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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Just select the Time Signature in band in a box or real band and the program will do the rest.



Yes I found these but what about the templates that goes along with these odd time signatures ?

BIAB and Realband need these to work when making my own RealDrums, don't they !

I could need an A B C how to tutorial right now on this subject smile


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CRKWOODS and Exotic1 they are midi Styles.

Look at the info for a 12/8 and see the drums used:

_TBLZBSS.STY. Slow12-8 BariSaxSolo Blues[60RS]
All RealTracks. Quintet. *** with Soloist ***Tempo=60 (50-75)
RD: ** N/A ** BluesRock128^6-a:Snare, HiHat Loose , b:Snare, Ride :Shannon Forrest
RT1922: Bass, Electric, TexasBluesRockSlow12-8 Sw 060 , Craig Young
RT2357: Sax, Baritone, Soloist Slow128BluesGary Sw 060 , Gary Smulyan
RT1924: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm TexasBluesRockSlow12-8Sol Sw 060 , Sol Philcox
RT1923: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm TexasBluesRockSlow12-8Brent Sw 060 , Brent Mason
Memo: A slow bluesy 12-8 Baritone Sax playing a bluesy solo over other RealTracks which include 2 El.Guitar and El.Bass Texas BluesRock 12-8 and BluesRock12-8 RealDrums.
ExamplesSince I've been loving U, Slow Blues

X:\bb\Drums\BluesRock128^\BluesRock128^1-SdStk,Snr
BluesRock128^1-SdStk,Snr_60_Style.txt


wavename=BluesRock128^_60_Style.wav
TimeSig=4
Offset=0
;dBAdjustA=0
;dBAdjustB=0
dBAdjust=-8
Pushamount8=59
Pushamount16=28
;ForceWavTempo=


Notes: For TimeSigs higher than
4/4, each bar will be spread out
over 2 or more bars (eg. 5/4 will be
written as 3/4+2/4). Note2: For
12/8 or 6/8, use 4/4 with a style
using a triplet feel (eg. Irish). For
9/8 use a waltz with a triplet feel.

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To make it easier to understand set real band to the tempo of the wav/wma file then drag it in and look at the text (template)
you see in the text an A fill @ 10
pattern,Fill,A,1,0,1,10
and an A post fill @ 11
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,8,11



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Does anybody make their own RealDrums tracks ?
It seems really complicated !


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Are you using a template or just making from scratch ?
If you use the ready made templates, the ones on the real band site have markers in them to show what goes where http://www.realband.org/files/realdrums_stylemaking_templates_Basic.zip
they have midi files also that can be dropped in any daw to give the markers.



For the 3/4 you can start with an existing text template like this:

wavename=PopWaltz_080_Style.wav
Offset=-2
dBAdjust=-11
TimeSig=3
Pushamount8=58
Pushamount16=29


pattern,Count-in,0,5,0,2,-1
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,22
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,24
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,27
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,44
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,46
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,48
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,13
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,18
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,20
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,22
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,27
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,51
pattern,Fill,A,7,0,1,1
pattern,Fill,A,1,0,1,9
pattern,Fill,A,7,0,1,1
pattern,Fill,A,1,0,1,9
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,7,3
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,6,4
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,6,3
pattern,Normal,A,3,0,5,15
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,5,4
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,5,3
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,5,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,2,4
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,2,6
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,2,8
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,2,3
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,2,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,2,7
pattern,Normal,A,2,4,2,16
pattern,Normal,A,1,0,1,11
pattern,Normal,A,1,1,1,4
pattern,Normal,A,1,1,1,6
pattern,Normal,A,1,1,1,8
pattern,Normal,A,1,2,1,3
pattern,Normal,A,1,2,1,5
pattern,Normal,A,1,2,1,7
pattern,Normal,A,2,0,4,16
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,4,4
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,4,6
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,4,3
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,4,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,3,4
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,3,6
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,3
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,7
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,11
pattern,Normal,A,3,0,3,15
pattern,PostFill,A,8,0,8,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,7,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,6,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,5,2
pattern,PostFill,A,2,0,2,2
pattern,PostFill,A,2,0,2,10
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,2
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,10
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,14
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,2
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,10
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,14
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,4,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,4,10
pattern,PostFill,A,2,0,3,2
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,8
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,12
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,17
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,19
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,21
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,26
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,50
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,1,8
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,42
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,44
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,46
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,48
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,54
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,56
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,30
pattern,Fill,B,1,0,1,38
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,52
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,30
pattern,Fill,B,1,0,1,38
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,52
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,7,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,6,33
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,6,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,5,33
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,5,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,5,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,2,33
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,2,35
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,2,37
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,2,32
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,2,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,2,36
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,33
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,33
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,35
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,37
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,32
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,34
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,36
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,40
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,4,33
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,4,35
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,4,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,4,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,3,33
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,3,35
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,32
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,36
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,40
pattern,PostFill,B,8,0,8,29
pattern,PostFill,B,8,0,8,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,7,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,7,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,6,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,6,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,5,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,5,31
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,29
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,31
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,39
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,43
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,29
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,31
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,39
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,43
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,29
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,31
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,39
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,43
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,4,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,4,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,4,39
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,3,29
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,3,31
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,37
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,41
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,53
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,55
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,1,37
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,1,37

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Hi Pipeline

I haven't even started because I don't know where or how to start !

To make normal Usertracks was a breeze because then you only use the template file with the chord changes.
I recorded with my DAW and then just made a folder and put the wav file and the template file in it and it works great.

With Realdrums there is text files involved that adds to the confusion.

And then there is the questions about odd meters.

Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Are you using a template or just making from scratch ?
If you use the ready made templates, the ones on the real band site have markers in them to show what goes where http://www.realband.org/files/realdrums_stylemaking_templates_Basic.zip
they have midi files also that can be dropped in any daw to give the markers.



For the 3/4 you can start with an existing text template like this:

wavename=PopWaltz_080_Style.wav
Offset=-2
dBAdjust=-11
TimeSig=3
Pushamount8=58
Pushamount16=29


pattern,Count-in,0,5,0,2,-1
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,22
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,24
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,27
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,44
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,46
pattern,Ending,0,4,0,2,48
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,13
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,18
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,20
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,22
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,27
pattern,Fill,A,0,0,1,51
pattern,Fill,A,7,0,1,1
pattern,Fill,A,1,0,1,9
pattern,Fill,A,7,0,1,1
pattern,Fill,A,1,0,1,9
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,7,3
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,6,4
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,6,3
pattern,Normal,A,3,0,5,15
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,5,4
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,5,3
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,5,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,2,4
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,2,6
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,2,8
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,2,3
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,2,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,2,7
pattern,Normal,A,2,4,2,16
pattern,Normal,A,1,0,1,11
pattern,Normal,A,1,1,1,4
pattern,Normal,A,1,1,1,6
pattern,Normal,A,1,1,1,8
pattern,Normal,A,1,2,1,3
pattern,Normal,A,1,2,1,5
pattern,Normal,A,1,2,1,7
pattern,Normal,A,2,0,4,16
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,4,4
pattern,Normal,A,5,1,4,6
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,4,3
pattern,Normal,A,5,2,4,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,3,4
pattern,Normal,A,2,1,3,6
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,3
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,5
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,7
pattern,Normal,A,2,2,3,11
pattern,Normal,A,3,0,3,15
pattern,PostFill,A,8,0,8,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,7,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,6,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,5,2
pattern,PostFill,A,2,0,2,2
pattern,PostFill,A,2,0,2,10
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,2
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,10
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,14
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,2
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,10
pattern,PostFill,A,1,0,1,14
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,4,2
pattern,PostFill,A,5,0,4,10
pattern,PostFill,A,2,0,3,2
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,8
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,12
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,17
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,19
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,21
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,26
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,2,50
pattern,PreFill,A,9,0,1,8
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,42
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,44
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,46
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,48
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,54
pattern,Fill,B,0,0,1,56
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,30
pattern,Fill,B,1,0,1,38
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,52
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,30
pattern,Fill,B,1,0,1,38
pattern,Fill,B,8,0,1,52
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,7,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,6,33
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,6,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,5,33
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,5,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,5,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,2,33
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,2,35
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,2,37
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,2,32
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,2,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,2,36
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,33
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,33
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,35
pattern,Normal,B,1,1,1,37
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,32
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,34
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,36
pattern,Normal,B,1,2,1,40
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,4,33
pattern,Normal,B,5,1,4,35
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,4,32
pattern,Normal,B,5,2,4,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,3,33
pattern,Normal,B,2,1,3,35
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,32
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,34
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,36
pattern,Normal,B,2,2,3,40
pattern,PostFill,B,8,0,8,29
pattern,PostFill,B,8,0,8,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,7,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,7,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,6,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,6,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,5,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,5,31
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,29
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,31
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,39
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,2,43
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,29
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,31
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,39
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,43
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,29
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,31
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,39
pattern,PostFill,B,1,0,1,43
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,4,29
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,4,31
pattern,PostFill,B,5,0,4,39
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,3,29
pattern,PostFill,B,2,0,3,31
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,37
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,41
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,53
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,2,55
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,1,37
pattern,PreFill,B,9,0,1,37



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You can make usertrack drums, it might be easier.
http://www.realband.org/tutorial-utd.html

The text file is the same as the SGU file, you just put it with the wav.

Did you watch the old videos:




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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
You can make usertrack drums, it might be easier.
http://www.realband.org/tutorial-utd.html

The text file is the same as the SGU file, you just put it with the wav.




That sounds quite similar to how to make Usertracks !

I'll have a look at those pages cause they make sense to me in some way !

Thanks !


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In the Options.txt of the usertrack drums there is
Waltz=false/true you can set but they have still to fix this so it works.

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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
In the Options.txt of the usertrack drums there is
Waltz=false/true you can set but they have still to fix this so it works.


Seems like they left out vital information in these tutorials.
They say do this, and do that, but don't actually show you how to do it !

As far as I know I need to make a file (SGU or MGU ??) in RealBand with all the info (intros, fills etc etc) similar to the chord sheet used to making RealTracks and a wav file that correspond to that info and put those 2 files in a folder. (myRealDrums.wav and myRealDrums.SGU )

I would like to know how you make BIAB know where all the fills etc etc are ?

It's probably much easier than it looks on paper ( or text on a computer )

With RealBand it seems easy to set the time signature I want but to fill in (insert) where all the intros and fills etc etc are, is still a mystery.


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Managed to make a SGU file in RealBand and a Wav file in Cubase that I've put in a folder in the RealTracks / UserTracks folder.

The problem now is that I can preview it just fine with the UserTrack dialog and it sounds just fine but it wont load into the program !


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I made a track up from that user track drum guide and it worked good, but I had to highlight the last 4 bars and regenerate the ending a few times until it filled it in.

You put the part markers where the fills are.
Wherever you have an ending, you set it in the Bar settings.
They have still to fix the Intros, it would be in the bar setting "2 bar intro starts @ this bar"
I left the time sig on default 4/4

To try it just generate up the wav drums with real band for now.
I set it to 36 bars and check 2 bar ending.
I set bar 37 to blue part marker, after it generated I copied the last 4 bars to bar 17 thus creating a blue ending.
I then changed bar 37 to green, highlighted the last 4 bars and regenerated drums, thus giving me a green ending.
I set bar settings ending @ 17 & 37.
I unchecked 2 bar ending and set bars to 40.
I saved with "Drums" in the folder & filename.
I chose SGU type and chose the real drum track as the wav.

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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
I made a track up from that user track drum guide and it worked good, but I had to highlight the last 4 bars and regenerate the ending a few times until it filled it in.

You put the part markers where the fills are.
Wherever you have an ending, you set it in the Bar settings.
They have still to fix the Intros, it would be in the bar setting "2 bar intro starts @ this bar"
I left the time sig on default 4/4

To try it just generate up the wav drums with real band for now.
I set it to 36 bars and check 2 bar ending.
I set bar 37 to blue part marker, after it generated I copied the last 4 bars to bar 17 thus creating a blue ending.
I then changed bar 37 to green, highlighted the last 4 bars and regenerated drums, thus giving me a green ending.
I set bar settings ending @ 17 & 37.
I unchecked 2 bar ending and set bars to 40.
I saved with "Drums" in the folder & filename.
I chose SGU type and chose the real drum track as the wav.




I have to try this again because I am obviously missing something cause I keep failing to make a user track with drums that actually work. I guess there are very few people if any at all that make their own Realdrums due to the complexity in making them. I appreciates that PG Music has made it possible for the users to make their own RealTracks and RealDrums but there should be much clearer steps to make your own RealDrums and as you say there are things to fix.

Thanks


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