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I actually do like the new StylePicker but I also see lots of room for improvements.
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I don't have that choice (OLD StylePicker ...)
I'm downloading the newest patch right now. Perhaps it's there???
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In the menu code there is an "Old Stylepicker" I changed it to that but it still brings up the new style picker.
You will just have to tell them the new options you need the new picker to do.
object StylePopup: TPopupMenu
AutoPopup = True
Left = 63
Top = 648
object Stylepicker1: TMenuItem
Tag = 401
Caption = 'OLD StylePicker (browse all styles)...'
OnClick = Stylepicker1Click
end
object NewStylepickerbeta1: TMenuItem
Tag = 408
Caption = 'StylePicker...'
OnClick = NewStylepickerbeta1Click
end
I just upgraded to the newest version and there is no "Old StylePicker" selection. How did you do that? Notes
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It is in the delphi code but not active so I changed it to show - I will have another look at it later and see if I can get it to bring up the Old TStylePickerDialog instead of the new TStylzDialog.
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I hope this is possible
As I said previously if you try to make a Hybrid style and update the styles in there it comes up with the Old Style Picker - so it is there somewhere
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"As I said previously if you try to make a Hybrid style and update the styles in there it comes up with the Old Style Picker..."
I went to File - StyleMaker - Make Hybrid style - .STY
that bought up the old Stylepicker, but on a re-build it don't find the new styles.
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They might update the Make Hybrid style to bring up the new stylepicker window.
But if you still want to use the old picker you can make up a hotkey with AutoHotKey to bring it up - copy the style name - open the new stylepicker - paste it in.
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This will bring up the old Stylepicker quickly, just extract the folder and run AutoHotKey64 or 32, Ctrl+Win+S will bring it up, find the style you need, copy the name from top right in Memo eg. "ROADHOG1.STY" then paste in the new Stylepicker top left in "Filter String". You can change the hotkey to suite: ;Old Stylepicker ~ ^#s:: ;This is the Hotkey Ctrl + Win + S # Win (Windows logo key) ! Alt ^ Control + Shift AutoHotKey_Old_Sylepicker.zip Create a shortcut and move it to the Startup Menu to start with Windows, just drag the shortcut to the Start Menu - All Programs - Startup. To edit the hotkeys right click on the "H" running in the system tray - Edit - Save - right click "H" Reload.
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In some ways I like the new style picker and agree that it could be improved
The reason I also like the old picker is not only that I have used it from the beginning but I can quickly find the style I require without setting up several filters before I can whittle down the total styles
each time I want pop-classical-jazz etc
Evem then on the new style picker it throws up styles that are only remotely in the catagory I need
I am, of course, getting used to it but it not as efficient for me
jazzman
another famous qoute - "just because its new, does not mean its better"
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The biggest problems I see with the new style picker are:
1) Not nearly as easy to browse the styles
2) Non-PG user styles don't show up well, not the ones you write nor aftermarket styles like mine (Norton), Hawkesford, Mayrent, Fine Tuned, and so on.
Peter Gannon says he is working on the second item, so when they figure it out, that will no longer be an issue (I can't wait, I get complaints almost weekly) and hopefully the staff at PG will also figure out how to browse easier.
There are some things I like about the new picker though. While it makes it more difficult to browse, there are some filters that make it easier to search. Hopefully they will also extend to the aftermarket styles when PG implements them into the mix.
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Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music
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Bob,
If you put keywords in the memos of your aftermarket styles (.ls3 files) like the word Norton, then anyone typing Norton as a filter would see only your styles.
They would need to rebuild the styles list for this to take effect, and they should also first erase c:\bb\data\user_stylz.bin before running BBW and doing a rebuild. That way the new memos would show up.
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as it stands now, people can already display only Norton styles: Select to display 'user styles' only. And then type # in the filter to see your Norton styles, since you name them all with # in the style name.
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Once they see a list of your Norton styles only, they can do all kinds of things not possible with the old stylepicker, such as:
- sorting the list by any column, forward or reverse
- seeing the list in discreet columns to begin with
- changing size of window
- change font size
- experience much faster operations as the list contents change as you type in a filter,
- rebuild the list up to 10X faster, since the styles don't need to get reloaded when rebuilding.
- select a filter such as a desired tempo, or feel, and this automatically does an "intelligent sort" that sorts from best to worst, for example sorted by closest to the tempo that you want, and is a swing 8ths style, and is country.
- type in a song title of a familiar song and seeing which Norton styles match it, sorted by best fit to worst.
- control the order that Realstyles are displayed compared to MIDI. For example, maybe you only want to see MIDI styles, or want to see them listed first, ahead of Realstyles. Or Vice versa (Realstyles only or Realstykes first).
The old stylepicker cannot do any of the above items.
It would be a major regression to lose all of those features (by reverting to the old stylepicker), when you can already accomplish what you want as described above.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
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A big +1 for the New style picker, at first glace for any new user it looks simplified compared to the old one.
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A big +1 for the New style picker, at first glace for any new user it looks simplified compared to the old one. +1 There is still room for improvements, but the new (flexible, searchable) style picker is, IMO, way better than the old one.
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Peter,
Regarding putting Norton in the ls3 file, where should it go, in the Style Description (my guess).
There is already a # sign on all my style names, wouldn't that work as well?
And one more thing, how will it sort my styles into categories like rock, jazz, country, etc.?
Thanks,
Bob
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The user simply typing # would filter and find you styles, but it would also find any other style with a '#' in the memo or the RealDrums or Realtracks names,
There are a number of RealDrums that have # in the name, and a few of our MIDI styles have # in the memo. So the user would need to type # and only show user styles ( other menu - user styles ) . Otherwise he'd see a bunch of our styles mixed with your styles.
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I'd recommend putting Norton into all of your ls3 files memos. That should be a simple search and replace on an ls3 file that would only take a few seconds for the whole file. Replace * with Norton* would add Norton to all of the memos, because * is the delimiter for the end of the memos.
If you wanted to put Norton2 Norton3 etc, then those search terms would work too. For example, Norton would find them all, and Norton1 would find a subset of them any search terms would work, and it includes partial text too.
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Bob, If you do update your ls3's - don't forget previous Norton customers that only have "old" ls3's  Larry
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I'll post the update at http://www.nortonmusic.com/support.htmlRight now I'm stymied. Since I've written my last bunch of styles, I've gotten new computers and a new version of BiaB. I remember that there used to be a "wizard" for making .ls3 files, where you just fill in the blanks, but I can't find it. Arrrrrggggghhhh (I hate when that happens) so I guess I'm going to have to do it in notepad. Addition: I found it on an older version of BiaB (Thanks to BiaB chat). Now it's time to get to work Bob
Last edited by Notes Norton; 08/29/16 01:29 PM.
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Revising the Norton .ls3 files to put the name Norton in them (instead of just in the category) is turning out to be a huge project. So many of my .ls3 file lines ran close to or up to the 250 character limit that simply changing the * to a * Norton screwed everything up. Fortunately I kept a copy of the old version. So I have to go through every line of every .ls3, change and make sure it doesn't exceed the limit. I'm about 3/4 through the first .ls3, giving it all the time I can, and even neglecting some other things that I should be more diligent about. To add to that, my shopping cart has been purchased by Capital One so I am being forced to change the cgi code on hundreds of projects, and that causes problems with the new cart - back to development, back to tech help, back to me, try this instead. Fortunately they are keeping me on the old cart until all the problems have been solved. The net result is this: Don't hold your breath waiting for the new .ls3 files that will let you put Norton in the 2016 StylePicker filter box. You'll have to use # for now and it may take a month or so for me to redo and test all the new .ls3 files. But then, I won't have any time to be bored  (Not that I know what boredom is). Notes
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