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#149740 - 02/06/12 02:52 PM [Off-Topic] Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl
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So, did anybody here really get into the halftime show? Outside of Madonna, anybody here know who these people are? I was reading a review of the show in the LA Times this morning and these acts were mentioned in that casuai "everybody knows who they are" way that writers use when they know their readers.

This really makes me feel out of touch. Why? Because I am. The article even mentioned that starting last year with the Black Eyed Peas, the halftime producers are deliberately getting away from that southern rock/country/blues style that a fairly large group of football fans are into because it's no longer mainstream. What we saw yesterday is now mainstream. Outside of being visually spectacular, the music itself had no relevance to me whatsoever. Seems like just a few years ago that Big Bad Voodoo Daddy did the show and it was great.

Makes me wonder about the long term future of PG Music because as it is now Biab has no relevance to this new mainstream stuff either.

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#149741 - 02/06/12 03:47 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: jazzmammal]
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Didn't get into it. Haven't gotten into it for awhile. I think the Who did the show a few years ago but they medley-ized the thing so much that it wasn't even worth watching. I was actually doing some recording last night during the first half and saw the opening to the show and when the huge drumline was in there, but that's about it.

Don't worry about the relevance of PG products. BIAB hasn't really ever been 'relevant' as it pertains to truly mainstream pop music.

PG has clearly aligned themselves with a certain type of user base that is unique and supposedly sustaining; a user base that hasn't posted a truly mainstream pop tune here in forever.

Here were the hot 100 charts from 2002, 10 years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_2002

Never heard a single cover from any of those songs posted here, or even anything in the style of any of those artists.

Now, 1992

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1992

Have to get down to "Tears in Heaven" by Clapton before you see anything that could have been produced by BIAB auto-arrangement. Have to go down to #13 to see Billy Ray Cyrus' Achy...

And to cap it off, 1982:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_1982_%28U.S.%29

Again - relevance to PG products, at least the autoarrangement aspect of things was minimal even then.

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#149742 - 02/06/12 04:07 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: rockstar_not]
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Just my take YMMV . . . Over produced, poorly performed with too many extras. Plus if there was an orchestra they must have been hiding under the stage. Makes a solo act like me feel much better about using BIAB, at least you can see one old cat banging a guitar . . . Just saying.

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PS: Madonna looked like she was moving in slow motion . . . but I resemble that remark myself.
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#149743 - 02/06/12 04:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: Danny C.]
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Not my crowd, not my music. Hyped up football and soft laid back jazz don't mix too well. Except it is what they play in the glassed in private boxes before and after.
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#149744 - 02/06/12 04:32 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: Danny C.]
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For me she was never moe than a footnote to begin with, riding a wave of "females can RAWK just like males!" hype.

I liked Black Eyed Peas last year but I would like them even with the sound down. As long as I get a good look at Fergie.....

The Who was a travesty as well.

I was very surprised Kanye West didn't pull the mic from Madonna's hand, though I would have welcomed it.
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#149745 - 02/06/12 07:23 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: eddie1261]
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For me she was never moe than a footnote to begin with, riding a wave of "females can RAWK just like males!" hype.




A footnote Eddie? Hype? According to Forbes richest celebrities as of 2010, she's worth over 500 mil, her concerts have grossed over 1 billion, her albums have sold over 200 million copies. Compare that to anybody. Don't like her, don't listen to her fine, I don't either but calling her a footnote is more than a stretch. It's most of the other pop tart girl singers from the last 20 years who are the footnotes. I just read she got a big bounce from the halftime show for her new album debuting in a week, it's already going to be #1 on Billboard. Not too shabby.

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#149746 - 02/06/12 07:33 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: jazzmammal]
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Bob,

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Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj




Who??? LOL.

I didn't watch it, but I suspect it wouldn't have been my cup of tea. I actually like one or two of Madonna's early songs, but the later stuff was crap. Even if she did sell a lot of records.
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#149747 - 02/06/12 07:39 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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My 15-year old daughter thought it was totally awesome!

Y'all are a bunch of old fogeys.
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#149748 - 02/06/12 08:41 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: Kemmrich]
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If Madonna was still in her 20s that show might have been ok but she looked ridiculous doing it at age 53!

The last few halftime shows like the Black Eyed Peas, The Who, The Rolling Stones, etc all sucked IMO. The halftime show is not about music but about hyped up glamour.

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#149749 - 02/06/12 08:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: MarioD]
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If Madonna was still in her 20s that show might have been ok but she looked ridiculous doing it at age 53!

The last few halftime shows like the Black Eyed Peas, The Who, The Rolling Stones, etc all sucked IMO. The halftime show is not about music but about hyped up glamour.

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I think I am going to vote for Mario!
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#149750 - 02/06/12 11:10 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: Danny C.]
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Same age as my wife. I'm not wanting to trade, but one would be way more fun at a party.

I didn't listen to be honest. I was at a party of 100 people, and I had more fun telling jokes and pointing at folks with the cane.

At the end of the day people have opinions. Some of those are when the wallet opens and the cash hits the counter. She's done well on that score. On the other hand, I have made 10k or so over the last 10 years, and donated it all. Well I did once buy a pair of music stands.

My current thing is to scour around for 'old' stuff and donate it to the U. I get a tax receipt. And in perpetuity it says inside the score or book, Donated by...

That way my kids can think I was worth something at the end of the week. They better not expect much, it was mine, I earned it, and I might, or might not share. Pfft.
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#149751 - 02/07/12 09:25 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: John Conley]
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John you had me laughing on this line

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I had more fun telling jokes and pointing at folks with the cane.






good one!
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#149752 - 02/07/12 10:01 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: MarioD]
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I kind of had a different thought. Madonna was a gamble for the TV folks, in that she is past her prime, and they did not know if it would translate well or not to a younger crowd. I think the gamble paid off for all involved. For the network they got a big name performer that wanted to be there, and considered it a challenge. She actually looks great for 53, and showed she still has the chops to perform live. The who came out and actually sounded rather badly, The stones were okay, but obviously aging badly, Black eyed peas were great, even though i actually hate them as an act they did "git 'er done" The last show I thought really rocked was McCartney a few years back for an old dude he really brought the energy.

Madonna doesn't dance like she used to, but who would 25 years past their prime, but she sang well (that is what ever parts were not lip sync) But some of it seemed live to me. The other thing is that she seemed to mature in her show. It was glittery, and over the top but other than a bad taste moment from the MIA dude, her show was cleaned up from what she used to do. I heard a lot of people toss around that Lady Gaga should have been chosen, but do we really need a show like she did last year on TV, at the American Idol finals. That was not for prime time and children to well idolize.

So I think Madonna was fun, she sang a new song or two, and an old hit or so, and in the end the crowd was entertained. I just wish the concert would be at the end of the game, and allow the game to progress with less interruption, and loss of momentum.
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#149753 - 02/07/12 02:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: Robh]
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I missed the souper bowel , shouldn't this Post read > Redfoo, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl (LMFAO)?

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#149754 - 02/07/12 05:07 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Redfoo, LMFAO, M.I.A., Nicki Maraj, Madonna at the Super Bowl [Re: Tommyc]
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It looked to be like they were lip synching the whole thing.

I'm not sure why that still qualifies as a musical performance, just seems like a live "video" performance to pre-recorded tracks. Yawn...

It's good to see that Elton John spoke up about that:
http://www.tntmagazine.com/news/world/elton-john-tells-madonna-lip-synch-good-at-the-super-bowl
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