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#150729 - 02/15/12 08:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!!
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I think this software is great, however, it would make a lot of sense to add a live monitor feature. So I can plug my electric guitar directly to the computer and be able to use Vst's for effects. I know you can do this is realband, but to have it in Band in A Box makes sense as well. It is a software that is used to practice with, and you can plug in a midi instrument and practice live. Why not a line input for audio?


People please respond to this. And if you think it would be a beneficial feature- then please support by stating so:)

Band in a box- rocks- love it, it just needs some work. An updated interface, and better vst instrument windows. Looks a bit cheesy

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#150730 - 02/15/12 09:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
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#150731 - 02/16/12 12:42 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Matt Finley]
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Thank you,

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#150732 - 02/16/12 12:46 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
Dallon426 Offline
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no replies? Think of how important of a feature this is. If enough people support the idea of it, they will implement it.

Feel free to post- let PG music know.

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#150733 - 02/16/12 02:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
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I can record audio into BIAB's one audio track anytime I want. I also can add plugins into that audio track via the new "mixer" window (haven't done that, though). I don't understand what you are are asking for. Most of the input monitoring type stuff is handled in your audio/digital interface.
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#150734 - 02/16/12 05:34 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Kemmrich]
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I suppose he wants to apply VST effects to his guitar in realtime.

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#150735 - 02/16/12 05:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Cerio]
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I suppose he wants to apply VST effects to his guitar in realtime.




I have that feature in Sonar -- but I've never used it. I will have to give a try next time around, but I suppose that would increase the echo or latency issues.
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#150736 - 02/16/12 09:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Kemmrich]
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Correct, I would like to listen to my guitar realtime with effects. RealBand has a feature that allows this. Band in a box does not.

In Band in a box
With the audio interface you can not listen realtime with effects.

I do this with cubase- and realband. using ASIO4ALL drivers, and I have no latency issues at all. If it is, it is 11ms, and I can't tell

But this feature should be included in Band in a Box. Why? Because some people like to practice by plugging into their computer (Some folks don't have an amp) So I use my computer.


This is called live input monitoring.

Think of it as a THRU channel that allows audio input. Instead of only MIDI

I know you can record and play back your track- but what is odd, is, you can't even hear your track with effects while you are playing what you are recording.

You have to have it recorded first, then apply the effects. Seems strange to me.

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#150737 - 02/18/12 10:59 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
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It is a cool feature for sure, but remember that BiaB is not a true DAW, that is why they are developing RB. It is the true multitracker, hence why that feature is in RB That is the proper place to add live tracks.

They may add it someday, who knows, in the mean time try recording in RB.
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#150738 - 02/18/12 11:33 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Robh]
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Quote:

It is a cool feature for sure, but remember that BiaB is not a true DAW, that is why they are developing RB.




Sorry, Robh, I don't see your point. He is not asking for direct monitoring to record, but because "some people like to practice by plugging into their computer (Some folks don't have an amp) So I use my computer. ", wich still is, in fact, one of the main uses of BIAB for a lot of people. I think having direct monitoring would be very useful for those people who likes to play along with BIAB taking advantage of the new VST effects per track feature.

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#150739 - 02/18/12 01:13 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
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I don't know if this would fit your needs. I use it with headphones, my EWI 4000s and plugged into my laptop output. It takes 1/8" plugs. I can practice without bothering anyone.

P.S. It's the Belkin Rockstar. All the inputs are in/out.


Edited by raymb1 (02/18/12 01:59 PM)
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#150740 - 02/19/12 01:10 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: raymb1]
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Cerio, I don't have an amp either, well at least one I like the sound of (roland cube) so I also play through the computer. I also find that it is better to have all the instruments in the same space so to speak, and a separate amp does not blend them as well for me. I know what he wanted, and was just pointing out a workaround in RB. Until they decide to add that feature, then RB will open any and all BiaB files and play them, with input monitoring.

One other thought is that input monitoring adds a layer of difficulty, and latency so i found a better way was to purchase a effects pedal board and add the effects prior to the signal.
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#150741 - 02/19/12 02:52 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Robh]
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Quote:

I know what he wanted, and was just pointing out a workaround in RB. Until they decide to add that feature, then RB will open any and all BiaB files and play them, with input monitoring.




Sorry Rob, I misread your post.

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#150742 - 02/19/12 04:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Cerio]
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Not a problem i misread my own post more often than not! It is more likely that i mis-typed it, rather than you misread it.


Edited by Robh (02/19/12 04:38 PM)
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#150743 - 02/21/12 10:49 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Robh]
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there is no latency. I have been exporting my BIAB tracks to Realband. But this takes time and is not easy to transpose. So, for practicing sake- this feature seems like it should not be very difficult to put together. They already have a recording audio feature.

I don't really care about recording, I use a daw to record= Cubase. Realband is incredibly weak compared to Cubase.

So, I think they should focus on developing BIAB with better features, and a more
updated, modern looking interface."


Does anyone know how to get PG Music to respond to this request?

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#150744 - 02/22/12 12:09 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
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This is the forum for request, and they read this, so if it is on the list of improvements they will consider it.

As far as it taking time to move to RB, what method are you using? Have you tried just opening a BiaB file in RB? that is the fast way.

I disagree that RB is weak compared to Cubase or any DAW. I have both Reaper and Sonar, and while they are more feature rich, RB can hold it's own and is far deeper than most originaly think. You can do so much more than the surface shows. Maybe the big names have deep tool conventional tool sets, but a lot of that is never used, by the average user.

I see PG focusing on a tool set that is unique, and really useful. Cubase, Sonar, Reaper, Logic, or no other DAW on the market can generate realtracks, and when you think about it, in Rb you can create in Midi, Audio, Realtracks, RealDrums, and now loops. Not the traditional paint in loops like Acid, or garageband, but actual loop generation, opening up the whole world of sound to you. Anything you can record as a wave file loop, you can turn into a full track.

As far a focusing on BiaB, rather than RB, you would find a lot of disagreement here with that view. RB is a direct result of the request of many users here, a melding of BiaB with Powertracks. It is IMHO just a upgraded automation system, and a couple upgrades in the VSTi handling away from rocking with the big boys. RB is not weak, it is powerful in other ways that no other DAW can touch, and it still has the ability to do 95% of the basic stuff the more traditional programs do.
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#150745 - 02/26/12 02:17 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Robh]
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I am using real tracks, that is why it takes so long.

I have found some ways to work around, but it is time consuming to export, then import in realband. Anyway, I am patiently waiting for PG music to have add this feature in a future update Right PG MUSIC?

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#150746 - 02/26/12 11:26 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
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I don't understand still the time to export/import. That is totally unnecessary, RB opens up BiaB files and it takes literally seconds here. There is no need to export, just save the file, and open RB, and open the file there. It will take a few seconds to generate the tracks and then you just go from there.
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#150747 - 02/26/12 11:32 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Dallon426]
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Not much time if you consider that a whole band and all their tracks are being created. Once you save as a RB seq it loads immediately.

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#150748 - 02/27/12 05:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: This is a must, LIVE INPUT MONITORING:))))))))))) !!! [Re: Tommyc]
Dallon426 Offline
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not if I am using realtracks, plus transposing takes long as well. Anyway, I have been using realband, but my preference is band in a box. Using realband after loading my song in biab, then saving an opening the file is really time consuming. It just doesn't make sense to not have a live monitoring input function. It's a software for practicing. I see what you are saying, I just think it makes sense to have that feature in biab.

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RealTracks Patch Update for Windows Users

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows users can download the latest RealTracks update patch (519) here.

This patch includes some RealTracks audio updates we have made since the release of Band-in-a-Box 2018. 2018 users should be sure to download the latest Band-in-a-Box 2018 update patch (519), as that patch includes the bulk of the fixes for RealTracks released with 2018. This is a larger download than typical because it updates the Vocal Oohs and Aahs RealTracks audio files. There is more information and Audiophile patches available here.

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