Since I upgraded to 64 bit Windows and reinstalled my RB, AND bought and installed J-Bridge, I now can't load plug ins anymore. I get a message saying that the plug in is "not a valid plug-in". These are the same Isotope and Sonitus plugs I used before. This is just getting worse and worse for me.
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And, as a bonus, the crashing continues. I had to change a chord and regenerate one measure in 3 places in a song. As soon as I hit "Regenerate selected region yada yada yada", Real Band crashed. They quit responding to emails. Called out there yesterday and got voice mail. I don't need voice mail. I need someone to fix their problem.
This is all on the same computer that ran 2015 just fine. But it's my end, right? $300 for the program, and extra $10 for J-Bridge that did absolutely nothing for me, as Real Band still tells me the same plugins I have always used are not valid.... Quite a studio I have here. Software that works minimally for about 10 minutes and crashes, with no plugins.
Meanwhile I can stream TV, audio, youtube.... everything else works. Sent the sing to Sonar and worked with it for 90 minutes with no problems. Using those same Sonitus plugins.
Last edited by eddie1261; 06/25/1609:57 AM.
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Because I need Real Band to generate my tracks. Then I move it out of RB. Soon it will be to Protools. right now I just need to get RB to run for more than 15 minutes without crashing. All I have to do is regenerate a measure or change a gain level and it crashes. Fresh install of Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, fresh install of BIAB/RB. Data stored on a separate drive. I took a class over summer that was centered around Protools. 3 more class meetings this week until the focus shifts to Ableton, which I have no interest in learning, so I have one more week (3 meetings) of Protools classes. Then I can just use RB to generate, as long as I don't want to ever make a change because it will crash, and move on from RB. Makes me sad because this used to be such good software. Starting in 2016 it has been a waste of my money and far too much time reinstalling and restarting because it is so buggy.
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I know all those problems only too well, I tried it on win10 and it was working great and I thought wow this is the solution, then bang, bang error, error.
I do beta testing and feature creation in other forums for other software and they are very thankful and supportive, and things get added and fixed overnight but I tried encouraging an all new RealBand In A Box 64 bit C++ http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=352609 but the attack's were full on ! you are crazy, you don't know what you are talking about, do you know anything about programing at all, you just can't do such a thing, it's impossible, why on earth would we want that. So in the end I gave up and the crashing continues.
We are told just use another DAW, but to create the project, chop n change and fine tune it you need to stay in real band, you can't just generate tracks in band in a box and drag them into a DAW end of story, unless you are just posting songs in the user showcase forum or live accompaniment, you want to have a more professional production you need a more professional, reliable 64bit real band application. Sure other DAW's work great but they don't generate real/user tracks and multiriffs (as yet).
Do you absolutely have to load plug ins in RB to render tracks?
I use RB to render my audio files all the time with no plug ins. I open a dry bare bones version of RB, load the BB file, render the tracks and export them.
I export to Sonar to finish the project and THAT's where I put the plugs... in SONAR.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
Do you absolutely have to load plug ins in RB to render tracks?
No, it is not critical. BUT, that's not the point. I paid $300 for software that doesn't work like it is supposed to. Would you enjoy driving a car that stopped 3 miles short of your destination and you had go all the way home and then take a bus? That is the perfect analogy. I get so far working, and the program crashes and the last edits are gone because with no way to know when it will crash, there is no way to know when to save. When I make an edit, does it not make sense to audition that edit before I save it? They advertise this thing as a DAW and it is supposed to work like one. Either that, or say "You can't use plug ins on this software."
Also, if you follow back along this whole conversation, which spans over several threads, I am crashing when I do something as simple as doing a regenerate on a single measure. I have crashed doing at least a half dozen different things, often crashing just when I hit the space bar to stop the transport. The answer from a customer service perspective CAN NOT BE "Just use a different DAW to mix." Too many of you have that "Well, my workaround is...." mentality. There IS no workaround. The workaround is for PG Music to fix the bugs in the program that we pay full price for.
The "what" and the "when" of what is happening is inconsequential. THAT it is happening is the issue. I could also just bring in guys to play the parts as a workaround, right? Software is supposed to work, every time. Software can't think and make decisions as to when it will work and when it will not.
I have had Real Band shut down when cutting bars, when regenerating measures, when hitting the stop button, when trying to save after an edit, when rendering tracks to wav files, when rendering to MP3, when trying to load a plug in, and a few times while I was doing absolutely nothing. Sitting there looking at the screen, I got a message that real band has stopped working and do I want to check the internet for the reason why. Note, Real Band crashed, not Windows. That studio computer has Word, Excel, Chrome, Sonar, Samplitude, Adobe Audition and Audacity. None of them crash. Only Real Band. After 25 years in IT, that, in my very experienced opinion, rules out my computer as the problem. If my computer (specifically the RAM inside it) had issues, one or more of those other programs would crash too. None do. And, when I am using Real Band, I do not run anything else, so the RAM is there just for Real Band to use.
If I could find something else to do what Real Band does for me, I would be gone. 2016 is just not very good.
Last edited by eddie1261; 06/27/1608:37 AM.
I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines.
1. How much did you make in 2023? 2. Send it to us.
I could open 32 bit Izotope but not 64bit. I could not open any Sonitus in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins, but they would not open in reaper either.
Everything in that Cakewalk ...\Shared Plugins folder are DX's NOT VST's. And if you've been accumulating over the years, from CW Producer 3 up to now in that folder, there are a LOT of DXi/DX's that WILL NOT work even in Sonar Plat (current version)
Also, unless you bought the "sold separately" Sonitus VST suite from Cakewalk (no LONGER for sale) you don't have Sonitus FX VST's
and all the CW supplied Sonitus FX plugs are not only DX's - they are LOCKED to CW software! Only one that seems to have slipped through the cracks, for me anyway, was the Modulator. If they ALL worked before outside Sonar great, but they weren't suppose to.
The Jbridge thing: MY EXPERIENCE ONLY: It works great UNTIL I accidentally try to "bridge" an INVALID app (i.e., a NOT an actual audio VST or synth VSTi .dll and/or a NOT 64 bit app) it crashes - and once crashed you have to restart it's HOST (in this case BIAB, RB,PT) not a PG thing but rather a JBridge thing
But I've had my share of issues with BITBRIDGE IN CW as well - so.....
I have nothing on the iZotope stuff although I've spent last week+ starting from scratch on a clean Win 10 but am too tired to dig into it iZodope issues.
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I've wasted hours on stupid stuff like: Sonar doesn't like certain plugs in Win 10 (JUST an EXAMPLE: ST 2.5) becasue Sonar in Win 10 seems to want that .dll (and SampleMoog, and SampleTron, and stuff from other vendors) to have or need ADMIN R/W privileges (not .exe's but the .dlls!) - - DUH? Still digging into that btu suspect more than a few registry hacks coming up.
Before folks ask dumb question "why would I use an OLD 32-bit plug in a NEW 64 OS and DAW?" - it's the principle there is NO REASON it SHOULD NOT - again JUST an EXAMPLE, becasue YES I WILL BE USING ST3 not ST2 in Sonar Plat under Win 10.
I've been at this Win 10 clean install-"from scratch" a solid 10+ hours a day for 8 days now and still see a few more weeks ahead - just to get it all COOPERATING and uncovering Win 10 quirks (yes there are more than few BIGGIES - they will bite you guys at some point. I had one he## of one with PACE/iLOK lost over a day there, and those slugs at iLOK were no help - it's A PACE thing and required me resetting it's services manually - something a general user should NEVER have to do or even KNOW about. Wish I had Googled on it earlier!
I WILL NEVER SPEND A PENNY EVERY AGAIN on anything that needs PACE/iLOK - UVI workstation/Gospel Musicians EP's was my first and LAST go with PACE/iLOK)
Larry
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And back to the same basic principle. Why should the fix be to take my RB generated tracks and move them to another DAW? They advertise RB to be a fully functional DAW and that's what I expect it to be. That's what I paid for. Those who choose to use Reaper, or Sonar, or Samplitude, or Cubase, or Protools, or Logic, or whatever to mix, that's their choice. I have used RB from start to finish for years. What is the deal with 2016 that suddenly I can't do that? Whoever it was that told me the Sonitus plugins are locked to Cakewalk, that is not correct. I used them with RB 2013 for 3 years. Reverb, delay, EQ, compressor, phase shifter, all of them.
Nobody on this planet is willing to own their mistakes anymore. Just keep passing the buck and blaming the customers. PG used to be better than this. Now they got too big and they play the game where they make some minor note or contact with problem customers just so they can say they addressed the issue and that buys them a few more days without fixing anything. Look how long this problem has been going on. Once every few days a PG staffer chimes in with a 20 word post, and that buys them 3-4 more days. Meanwhile I am weeks behind here because my software keeps crashing.
I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines.
1. How much did you make in 2023? 2. Send it to us.
"Meanwhile I am weeks behind here because my software keeps crashing."
I have knocked back jobs for the last 6 months because the crashing and other problems got to my head too much.
As I said before I tried to get interest in a new real band in C++ that is easily transferred at the same time for Mac OS X as other DAW's have a win and mac version in the same language that are identical and released at the same time, instead of spending one part of the year programming the win version in one language then another part of the year programming the mac version in another language to be released at different times with different features. But NO, it was full on negativity and blocking, "you are flogging a dead horse let it go it will never happen, we love real band how it is, go away don't come back".
You probably already know this.... but here goes anyway.
Crashes are generally driver related issues. The very first sentence in your opening post up top of this one said you had upgraded to a 64 bit OS from a 32 bit OS and installed J-bridge to solve the difference. But apparently that didn't work. Drivers are normally either 32 or 64 bit, not both. Using j-bridge is an attempt to fool the driver into thinking it's got the proper piece of software when in fact it doesn't. If everything doesn't match up and work perfectly, you can easily have a system or software crash. Computers don't handle incompatibility very well. I've heard many tales of woe from users of j-bridge when moving from 32 to 64 bits.
The issue is the driver mismatch and trying to use a patch/wrapper like J-bridge to fix it.
Don't blame PG for this issue. The fix, as I understand it from listening to others who have had similar issues, is to upgrade ALL of your VST's and plugins to 64 bit so you don't need the j-bridge wrapper. If you're gonna go 64 bits, do it right and upgrade everything connected to the system so it works properly on 64 bits 100%. It might cost money to do it but that's the best way.
Using your car analogy, you wouldn't buy a new Mercedes and tell the dealer to use your old Volkswagen tires on it to save money...would you? That's essentially what you're doing with j-bridge.
This exact issue you are having it the precise reason I will not be upgrading from 32 bits to 64 bits any time soon. My 32 bit system works and there's no need for me to try to fix something that's working perfectly. It's when people thing they need to upgrade, but don't spend the money to do it right that they can often end up in a quagmire.
Pick one of the VST's or plugs that are not working properly and buy the 64 bit upgrade to it to see if that "fixes" your issue.
All of my computers are 64 bit OS, except my DAW. It's XP Pro 32. On the day I need to upgrade, I will be buying all new 64 bit versions of the plugs and VST's I use...... OR...... I will be reinstalling my 32 bit XP sp3 on the new machine.
I defer to your expertise with computers.... I'm not an IT guy, I'm just a humble DAW user who somehow managed to get my DAW working fairly well with very few crashes. I still get the occasional glitch that needs a reboot..... But with my Intel i5 chip and XP32, I consider my system to be fairly rock solid and steady.
Edit: have you called PG's tech support to discuss this issue and see if they can point you in the right direction? I work in security related electronics for over 25 years and have a solid grasp of things, but every now and then a call to tech support to bounce some ideas around pays huge dividends.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 06/28/1603:46 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
The plugins is not my main issue. That is just extra kindling. I crash in RB 2016 when I am doing routine things like making an edit, saving a file... That started on XP. I bit the bullet and installed Windows 7 32 bit. Reinstalled Office, RB, Sonar and Samplitude. Everything worked find but RB. In preparation for Protools, which only runs on 64 bit Windows, I wiped the drive clean AGAIN and installed Windows 7 64 bit. And reinstalled Office, RB, Sonar and Samplitude. And obviously my Focusrite drivers. Again EVERYTHING works. I can play music through my Chrome browser, through Sonar, and through Samplitude. And I can play music through RB, but it crashes. In an hour sessions I will have to restart RB 5-8 times. That is unacceptable. And that happens WAY before I try to load a plugin. You came to this dance late where you assume my issue is plugins. It is not. It is getting RB to run without crashing.
And there is absolutely ZERO wrong with my computer. I built this computer with components I selected and matched up specifically to be the music system. It has an Intel i5 processor, 8GB of RAM, and 2 1.5tb 10,000 RPM hard drives. IT was my world for over 20 years and I know computers better than Bill Clinton knows Monica Lewinsky.
I have had RB crash when:
opening a file saving a file regenerating 1 measure of a song to make a chord change hitting the stop button selecting a style selecting a range to edit
And in every instance listed above, the error message that popped up was the "Real Band has stopped" box over a whited out screen. I have sent the memory core dump to PG. That message thread with them is now 22 messages long. Nobody has helped me one bit beyond insulting my computer intelligence by telling me to do stupid newbie level nonsense like reset to defaults, defrag my hard drive (you NEVER have to defrag an NTFS drive, and defrag ONLY helps speed up load time, since programs run in RAM, making files be contiguous on the hard drive has zero to do with how something runs - only how fast it loads into RAM - did you KNOW programs execute in RAM and not from the hard drive? The hard drive is just storage.) and silly stuff like that, all skirting the issue that it is RB crashing. The error says so. 22 messages. (In NO case should software EVER require a user to reset to defaults. Rather fix the bugs than make the end user be your support people.)
See, how IT works is this. As a help desk agent, you are responsible for updating your tickets at a defined interval. That update can be as simple as "emailed customer", or "left voice mail". That fulfills their obligation to stay current on tickets. However, is that actually working toward resolution? Sending an email saying "reset to defaults" makes it look like they are working their tickets when all it does is buys more time to stall. I used to be the biggest PG Music fan in the world. Now if anybody asked me, I would suggest they save their money or buy Garage Band or anything else that does what RB does. Customer support has really gone downhill since they got so big and did not add a proportionate number of support people. After that many years in IT, I went from a very hands on world to a very "remote in" world, and customer service in general is awful in this microwave, greed driven, bottom line at all costs world.
Also note that everything worked just fine for me until the 2016 product. I guess I just have to admit that they got $300 of my dollars for software I can't use and get over it. They are surely not interested in fixing it, 22 emails later.
Last edited by eddie1261; 06/28/1606:49 AM.
I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines.
1. How much did you make in 2023? 2. Send it to us.
We both want to fix the problem, so could you please PM me rather than posting on the forum, and we will communicate that way, and I can ask you specific questions, and get specific answers.
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