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#152837 - 03/09/12 10:15 AM [Off-Topic] Another sugesstion needed.
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I'm looking for a full range small,cheap speaker that I can use to play guitar, bass or keyboard through. I don't want a regular amp. I use my laptop as the pre with AT3 & Ampeg SVX. The first thing that comes to mind is a Kustom 10" powered. Any other suggestions? Of course based on personal use.
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#152838 - 03/09/12 11:44 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: silvertones]
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John,

I am a big fan of Pawn Shops, you might look there as they are always speakers of all sort in the ones I visit.

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#152839 - 03/09/12 12:16 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: Danny C.]
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Although discontinued by Radio Shack after nearly 30 years, the Minimus 7s are great full-range speakers.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=minimus+7+speakers

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#152840 - 03/09/12 01:13 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: Don Gaynor]
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#152841 - 03/09/12 02:28 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: silvertones]
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John,

The cheapest full range powered speakers for performance - which is what you want if I understand correctly - are keyboard amplifier packages.

zzounds selection: http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?q=keyboard+amp&form=search

Sweetwater selection: http://www.sweetwater.com/c525--Keyboard_Amplifiers/pn1

Another option are powered mains that can be used as well, but they don't have the controls that keyboard amps provide:

http://www.sweetwater.com/c134--Active_Powered_PA_Speakers

The exception is that Behringer with the 3 channel mixer built in - that's actually a cool product - I would call it a keyboard amp!

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#152842 - 03/09/12 03:46 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: rockstar_not]
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John i have the non powered Kustom 10s and i love them, not huge sound, but very useable. I would expect the powered as the same with ... well power. Should do the job.
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#152843 - 03/09/12 05:01 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: Robh]
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#152844 - 03/09/12 05:58 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: RobbMiller]
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In regards to the Behringer Truth B3031A
I maybe wrong but aren't studio reference monitors "near field" designed.
Not sure they would work well for gigging.

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#152845 - 03/09/12 06:42 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: silvertones]
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Quote:

I'm looking for a full range small,cheap speaker that I can use to play guitar, bass or keyboard through. I don't want a regular amp. I use my laptop as the pre with AT3 & Ampeg SVX. The first thing that comes to mind is a Kustom 10" powered. Any other suggestions? Of course based on personal use.
Thanks friends.




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#152846 - 03/10/12 07:48 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: Robh]
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John i have the non powered Kustom 10s and i love them, not huge sound, but very useable. I would expect the powered as the same with ... well power. Should do the job.



I have the 15" non powered ones. The odd thing is I discovered there is a difference between the powered & non powered. The non have crossovers with horns that have compression drivers. The powered do not. they just use piezo horns.
I think I'll just build my own. This is just for small get togethers in the living room or whatever. I have all I need for performance.Just to play guitar, bass or keyboard. As I said I have modeling software so the lappy serves as the pre & effects etc. Just need a full range speaker with power.
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#152847 - 03/10/12 08:58 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: DHD]
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Quote:

In regards to the Behringer Truth B3031A
I maybe wrong but aren't studio reference monitors "near field" designed.




Yes. But I have used them as loud speakers in a small space 900sqft ~ 1000sqft with under 50 folks in attendance and they sound great if you are not looking to color the sound. In fact they can be way too loud.

I have also used one as a stage monitor in a pinch. In this case it was a school gym with a stage ~500 folks in attendance. During dress rehearsals the backing tracks on the PA sounded just fine and the choir was able to pick up its ques. After the place was filled with bodies the PA was insufficient on stage. I hooked the B3031 to the monitor out and tucked it behind the risers of the choir, reflecting off the back wall. The choir had no problem hearing the backing tracks. In fact, the monitor could be heard at the back of the gym.

Neither of the above are the intended use, but they work great in both situations.

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#152848 - 03/10/12 10:14 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: silvertones]
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My parents store sells quite a few of those Cube amps Mac mentioned. Many happy customers raving about them. Even the the micro cube gets great reviews. I was surprised by them.
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#152849 - 03/10/12 10:29 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: rharv]
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I have a micro cube, and while it is totally amazing for what it is, it is not really full sounding enough to play a "full band" through.

For a small area like a living room alone or with a friend or two, I might suggest monitors as well. i have M-Audio BX5A's and I play through them for practice, and they are great. with the doors closed, you can hear them out at the street.

John you might be over thinking this for a small area type system. you don't need anything big and powerful. At my house i can't even use my Kustom 10s, they just are too loud for the neighborhood. My M-Audio monitors are perfect.


Edited by Robh (03/10/12 10:35 AM)
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#152850 - 03/10/12 11:05 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: Robh]
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I did not use the word, "MICRO" along with Cube.

Check out the Roland Cube series, John.

Like maybe the 60W one...


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#152851 - 03/10/12 11:15 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Another sugesstion needed. [Re: Mac]
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John, what are the specifics of your needs again besides 'powered' and 'speaker'? Do you need a small mixer on-board or ability to use multiple sources into the powered speaker?

Mac, the cube series - aren't they aimed at the guitar amplifier market? I'm wondering if they are indeed full range. I know that they use amp simulation, so perhaps they are full range and rely on the amp simulation to emulate cabinet and speaker non-flat response that is so characteristic of guitar amps.

I didn't see any of the larger cubes that were simply powered full range speaker arrangements. There's a smaller one that is battery powered that looks more like a powered speaker - just curious.

I'm trolling this thread because I am sort of in the market for something similar - a full range self-contained thing, with multiple inputs/simple mixer (my needs, not necessarily John's) and want to have a finger on the pulse of this market. That Behringer unit looks most interesting for the price to me: http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/B205D.aspx $150

-Scott


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