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Hi Folks,

I'm trying to input this song into BIAB and struggling because it has bars of different lengths. I have tried every thing I know without success.
I know someone out there will remember this Nina Simone and Animals classic soul song - your assistance is much appreciated.

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Nigel,

You can change the number of beats in a bar by selecting the bar and pressing F5 and changing the value. You cannot add beats, only remove them, so if you need a bar of 6/4, try having one bar of 2/4, then back to 4/4 on the following bar.

Hope this answers your question OK.

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Hi,

Thanks - but it doesn't work!

In this song (Where you sing "Please don't let me be misunderstood") I need a bar of 4 beats and then a bar of 2 beats.
After the 2 beat bar the drums come back in OK but all the other instruments are delayed by a further 2 beats.
Then unbelievably in the subsequent bar all the instruments catch up!!!
Why don't you try it yourself? - I'm using a style called _RDHO_LS.STY

Any suggestions?

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Originally Posted By: NigelSpiers
Hi,

Thanks - but it doesn't work!

In this song (Where you sing "Please don't let me be misunderstood") I need a bar of 4 beats and then a bar of 2 beats.
After the 2 beat bar the drums come back in OK but all the other instruments are delayed by a further 2 beats.
Then unbelievably in the subsequent bar all the instruments catch up!!!
Why don't you try it yourself? - I'm using a style called _RDHO_LS.STY

Any suggestions?

Thanks & Best Regards

I tried it myself. I created a song with 8 bars and 3 choruses using _RDHO_LS.STY
I set bar 5 to 2-beats and bar 6 to 4 beats. The song played through 3 times with 2 beats on bar 5 every time, and all instruments playing on every bar.

OK, here's a good place to start:
What version of BiaB do you have?
Do you have any frozen tracks?
Do you have any Holds on any bars (e.g. Eb...)?


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I recreated VideoTrack's example and obtained the same results as he did. However, in past projects I have encountered issues similar to NigelSpiers when using F5 to mute, fade out, fade in, change and back to normal selections on tracks as well as with holds, rests and shots.

All of the F5 track selections responded fine and there were no issues. I found that when I placed F...bd in bar 4; It replicated NigelSpiers problem with all instruments back to playing on measure 7.


I have BIAB 2016 Windows with the latest build.

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That's a great tune!
Any chance you would share it once completed?

Admins- not sure if sharing tunes is allowed?


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Hi VideoTrack,

Thanks for reply.
I have latest last version of BIAB for Windows
No Frozen tracks
But I do have hold as below

Bar 1: Ab ("I'm just a soul who's")
Bar 2: Fm ("Intentions are good"
Bar 3: Db..D (this bar set to 2 beats as you suggested) ("Oh Lord")
Bar 4: No chord (this bar set to 4 beats as you suggested) ("please don't let me be misunder")
Bar 5: Fm ("stood")

Bar 5 is the problem - the bass guitar and organ don't come back in until the 3rd beat of this bar.

What am I doing wrong?

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upload the version you have so we can look at it closer for you.


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Hi Jazzmandan,

How do I attach the song in SGU format?

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Dropbox .. or some similar service.


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Originally Posted By: rharv
Dropbox .. or some similar service.


Yes, you need to upload to some web site\service and then provide the URL link to it. Or you can email to me at dan at jazzmandan dot com and I will do it for you.


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Nigel,

This is worth a shot (not pun intended)...

I've found that if I use a 2-beat or 3-beat bar in a song, it's sometimes necessary to put a chord on beat 3 in the cell containing the 2-beat bar.

With this in mind, try adding a chord to beat 3 (and even beat 4) of bar 3. Just use a simple chord without shot/hold dots. These chords won't play but they seem to instruct BIAB somehow.

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Dropbox .. or some similar service.


.... you can email to me and I will do it for you.


I have attached the SGU BIAB file for the key parts of this song (it's not finished yet).

SGU file

The problems I have are:

1. Bars 17 & 33 - where for some odd reason the instruments only come in half way through the bar.

2. Bars 37, 38, 39 (in the song its the chorus with following lyrics: "If I seem edgy, I want you to know, that I never meant to take it out on you etc")where I need the Eb to come in earlier in a synchopated way. I've tried to put them on 4th beat of previous bar but that doesn't sound right either.

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Quote:
The problems I have are:

1. Bars 17 & 33 - where for some odd reason the instruments only come in half way through the bar.


Following on from Noel's suggestion I tried putting Db.d on the first beat of Bar 16. That way only the drums continued to play through bar 16 and all the instruments resumed on the first beat of bar 17. Hope this helps.


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Nigel,

Definitely try the beats 3 and 4 (in the 2-beat bar) approach I mentioned. This will solve the "instruments coming in halfway through the bar" problem.

Have a look at my third post in this thread.

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Noel,
I tried your suggestion with the file that Nigel posted. I put a chord on beat 3 (and later beat 4) in the 2 beat bar 15. All instruments resumed in bar 16 in both cases. And all instruments started correctly in bar 17 on beat 1.

However, I got the impression from Nigel's file that he only wanted the drums to play through bar 16.

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Hi Richard,

Thanks for passing on the information. I didn't try Nigel's file and I could have easily missed something as I tend to scan through posts too quickly sometimes!

Your suggestion is a good one.

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Thanks Noel, Dan and Richard,

Much Appreciated.

Yes the phantom chords worked a treat thanks Noel.

Now all I've got to do is the syncopated Chorus:

Bars 37, 38, 39 (in the song its the chorus with following lyrics: "If I seem edgy, I want you to know, that I never meant to take it out on you etc") where I need the Eb to come in earlier in a syncopated way. I've tried to put it on the 4th beat of previous bar but that doesn't sound right either.

Any suggestions?

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I did put the Db..d at the third beat of bars 16 and 32 and all instruments resumed at beat one of bars 17 and 33.

This gives BIAB something to do smile and keeps the drum playing, although with a little emphasis on the third beat.


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Addendum:

I believe I have figured this out.

The time sig is 4/4. That is what BIAB sees throughout the tune. At some point the time signature changes to 2/4, but BIAB still has the 4/4 in mind. When you change back to 4/4 BIAB is caught on the wrong foot and is out of sync with the tune until you give it a synchronisation trigger.

Put the Db..d on the first beat of the first 4/4 measure after the change to 2/4 and all seems to be good -- at least on my computer.



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