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What strikes me as ridiculous is - here is a guy using someone elses 8 year old version not even his own and dare I say cloned/copied to his machine and daring to whinge about lack of modern features. What strikes me as ridiculous is someone who can't spell a complex word like "whine." And I dare say that even if you knew how to spell, you post indicates a severe lack of reading comprehension. I have borrowed someone else's laptop with BIAB on it and I'm not "whinging" about a lack of modern features. But thanks for the snotty reply, and pardon me if I didn't pay homage to the BIAB God properly like the rest of you groupies. Apologies to those of you who are worth apologizing to for this silly sidetrack; I'll reply as applicable later, getting a bit late here.....but bottom line, "will sound exactly the same" was definitely over the top on my part and poorly worded; obviously the overall songs won't be the same. More of a general concern about the tracks I'd be using that are used by so many others and therefore still too similar in that way for me. Ah Joe, being British we have a complex vocabulary so include words like "whinge", an ancient English word that means to moan for no good reason. I suggest you close the lid of your friends laptop and go find something, ANYTHING, that will do what BB/RB can do.
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What strikes me as ridiculous is - here is a guy using someone elses 8 year old version not even his own and dare I say cloned/copied to his machine and daring to whinge about lack of modern features. What strikes me as ridiculous is someone who can't spell a complex word like "whine." And I dare say that even if you knew how to spell, you post indicates a severe lack of reading comprehension. I have borrowed someone else's laptop with BIAB on it and I'm not "whinging" about a lack of modern features. But thanks for the snotty reply, and pardon me if I didn't pay homage to the BIAB God properly like the rest of you groupies. Apologies to those of you who are worth apologizing to for this silly sidetrack; I'll reply as applicable later, getting a bit late here.....but bottom line, "will sound exactly the same" was definitely over the top on my part and poorly worded; obviously the overall songs won't be the same. More of a general concern about the tracks I'd be using that are used by so many others and therefore still too similar in that way for me. Joe, Numerous people have tried to help you. The CEO of the company even tried to help you; and you continue with the insults. Being an avid proponent of the program does not make one a 'groupie'. Besides, I'm too old to be a groupie.  As for “whinge”; this is an international forum. We have everything from “Y'all” to “G-Day” to “Whinge”, and the ubiquitous Canadian “Ay”? In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka... “Lighten up, Francis!”  Regards, Bob
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OK, so we're all mindless fanboys. Let's analyze that for a minute.
How does someone become a fan of anything?
Because they like it.
In this case of using a computer program, why would they like it?
Because it does what they need it to do.
Nobody says anything about these programs being the picture of bug free perfection, or that they're easy to navigate or they're telepathic and just seem to know what I'm trying to do.
If RB was a crashing, locked up pos I wouldn't like it very much and neither would anybody else.
Pipeline and Cerio, ask yourselves this one question.
If it's so damn bad, why do we bother with it?
Have you guys spent any serious time on the RB forum? All these little things that Rharv talked about is there. Everybody it seems gets a new program and simply opens it and starts to work with it without reading the slightest thing about how it works. They think they're smart enough to figure it out by running it and working with it. How I wish that were the case.
I guess I'm not as smart as you guys because that never, EVER works for me. At the office it's Word and Excel. For a noob, the Word menu bars are useless POS's to me without some instruction which I've managed to get over the years. Then there's Excel. Oh. My. God. If you've never worked with that before good luck simply opening up a new workbook and what, you're just going to intuitively figure out how to create a formula to combine columns and rows? Riiight. I get emails all the time from companies who want to sell me an online course in Excel for a couple of hundred bucks. How would you like to need that? Buy some music software then spend $200 to learn how it works. Oh my, what would the fanboys think then?
Compared to Word and Excel, Real Band is a simplistic piece of cake yet some so called programming experts can't seem to get past the splash screen.
Go onto the RB forum and read how it works. That's what I do for ANY new computer program. I've learned over the years that a new piece of software is going to kick my [*****] until I can learn how it works and I do that by finding a user forum and reading all the FAQ's and little hidden quirks about it.
There's no difference between a casual user and a power user any more. I've have to turn myself into a power user to even get to first base most of the time with this stuff and THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
Bob
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I'm trying to figure out if I'm one of the fanboy programming experts being insulted here. True, I taught programming starting long before Borland introduced Turbo Pascal (which I loved). But Delphi, which Turbo Pascal morphed into, is still a solid development program under its new owner. It supports 64-bit Windows and Mac OS, and even iOS and Android platforms. Those who know it love it and are productive. Dr. Gannon has stated that at some point BIAB will go to 64-bit, and this can be done in Delphi. So, what is the basis for criticism of using Delphi?
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I get the impression that there is a belief from one poster that if you write it in Delphi it will have bugs but if you write it in C it will be bug free. I just can't figure that one out. I actually don't care what it's written in as long as it works and works properly. This comment is totally different to feature requests, bug fixes and improvements. They still need to occur.
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I've used RB hard since it's inception, and also used PT (it's predecessor) long before that. If I appear as though I am 'defending' I apologize. That is certainly not my intent. My natural inclination is to share any help I may have from years of working with the 'quirkiness'. So at times, when people complain, I offer a tip that may help as a workaround, or new process flow. It doesn't mean I don't think a bunch of things can't be improved, just trying to help. That said, the above doesn't apply to the programming language being used. That's quite different. It isn't the issue at all IMHO. I know Pipeline really wants to make RB better. I've seen him put 'behind the scenes' effort into helping push some long wanted fixes along with the developers (with some progress but not what we all hoped for yet, so not ready for prime time) Pipeline was instrumental in some of this. He's on our side. Maybe he ruffles some feathers sometimes, but with good intent. Ruffled feathers get attention. Thanks Pipeline.  /* 'Let's all just let the programming language thing die now, OK?' */ ;
Make your sound your own!
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I know Pipeline really wants to make RB better.
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He's on our side.
Maybe he ruffles some feathers sometimes, but with good intent. Ruffled feathers get attention.
Thanks Pipeline. Yes, fully agree, that's exactly why I wrote in a different thread re: Pipeline "In many ways you actually don't know exactly how much I agree with you, and certainly support your intentions."
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I've personally, never had any problems with BB or RB not doing what they're supposed to do. Mostly, (99.9%) of the time, they both run flawlessly as does Sonar.
They are, however, windows based programs (all 3) and as such, suffer the consequences when the zero's and ones get out of sorts in the underlying OS. (XP Pro 32)
Any time I notice abnormal things going on, I shut down and restart with a cold boot.
If you, on the other hand, are having issues with Real Band always glitching or crashing, I would suggest looking at the issue with the assistance of the PG technical staff. I'd wager, it's a setting or perhaps some other program or driver that's interfering with RB's proper operation and not the bugs in the program. I've run these programs on several computers and all without issue. A Dell off the shelf laptop, and a custom machine that I bought the parts for and assembled myself. I'm not a computer guy, and I managed to get it running and it works pretty smoothly if I do say so myself.
So... in a nutshell, before you disrespect the program, and those of us who use it and love it, tidy up your own house a bit and see what the issue is in your machine. As far as the GUI.... where the buttons are and such things.... learn the program. If you're using a version that's 8 years old, do an update rather than complain about the lack of features in the one you have. A lot has improved during that time.
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You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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/* 'Let's all just let the programming language thing die now, OK?' */ ;
...or at least take it up and in a thread where that's the topic. amen
So... in a nutshell, before you disrespect the program, and those of us who use it and love it, tidy up your own house a bit and see what the issue is in your machine. As far as the GUI.... where the buttons are and such things.... learn the program. If you're using a version that's 8 years old, do an update rather than complain about the lack of features in the one you have. A lot has improved during that time.
Before you disrespect those of us who think the program design is lacking or poor in this or that way, actually listen to, comprehend and consider what they're saying vs complaining about/snipping at the comments. We've been down this road and I've already explained and caveated more than enough, not about to do it any more. PS: I've also put in a fair # of hours on it to date so spare me the "learn the program" BS. You disagree or don't get it, fine, move on.
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I thinks if Steve Jobs came on here not using his real name trying to bring about change taking things to a whole new level the status quo would be on him like a tonne of bricks, gang up, and chase him off because the level they see things from can't be any higher as it is the highest level and understanding they can conceive of.
I can see where every user is coming from and the level they are on.
To see where the problems are and speak up to bring about positive change.
The low level responses has taking a too much of energy out of me.
For me to stay here would serve no purpose as I would have to force myself to stay on a lower level of understanding and make nice, agree and don't dare rock any boat.
It might sound hard and ruffle feathers but I did tell the truth in order to to take the software onto a whole new advanced level for all those on the planet, not just the old Win Fans but for all the MAC users ALSO.
With all the Expert Delphi Programmers here I thought for sure they would of uploaded the vst synchronization fix for pg by now, how many years has that been now ??
If someone else comes on here telling the truth that is hard to understand, just don't gang up on them anymore and drain their energy.
Adios..
"How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen
They did not know how
Perhaps they'll listen now ???????"
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I thinks if Steve Jobs came on here not using his real name trying to bring about change taking things to a whole new level the status quo would be on him like a tonne of bricks, gang up, and chase him off because the level they see things from can't be any higher as it is the highest level and understanding they can conceive of.
I can see where every user is coming from and the level they are on.
To see where the problems are and speak up to bring about positive change.
The low responses has taking a too much of energy out of me.
For me to stay here would serve no purpose as I would have to force myself to stay on a lower level of understanding and make nice, agree and don't dare rock any boat.
It might sound hard and ruffle feathers but I did tell the truth in order to to take the software onto a whole new advanced level for all those on the planet, not just the old Win Fans but for all the MAC users ALSO.
If someone else comes on here telling the truth that is hard to understand, just don't gang up on them anymore and drain their energy.
Adios..
"How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen
They did not know how
Perhaps they'll listen now ???????" Well, I for one, hope you stick around! You gave me an excellent tip on how to convert from a RealTrack with fx to the exact same one as DI and it saved my bacon by letting me immediately use the exact same riffs but with my own fx! Everyone else, including long-time PG users were quick to tell me it was impossible! And I appreciate the suggestions you make here along with your matter-of-fact opinions about how the GUIs need work! Lots of us agree with you 101% on that!! The active group here in these forums probably represents a very small percentage of the overall PG customer base. And there are some very loud voices here who are appalled when someone dares to offer even the slightest criticism of PG software! They love the software and take it very personally when someone does not show "proper respect"! I noticed this within days of arriving here! But I stuck around because there are also some folks here who love the software AND understand it needs improvement to keep up with the rest of the software world! And I believe there is another group of people, especially young people, who take one look at the software and never even give it a chance! I have read comments in other music forums where people trash these products mainly about the GUIs but clearly they did not know what is possible if you can just get past that aspect! If I were in charge of PG this would be the thing I worry most about. Us old-timers will continue to send in our upgrade $$ every year and have a grand old time with the software (even while complaining about the GUI!) But the music market at large, including lots of young people, may never give it the chance it deserves because it is not as cool as the latest DAW or looping SW. And that is a missed opportunity for those people and for PG! And hey, who knows? Maybe BIAB 2017 will be 64-bit with a shiny new DAW-like interface and multi-riff built right in! And even if not, there will be lots of tasty new RealTracks available in the upgrade so I'm budgeting for it right now! I hope you stay!
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/* 'Let's all just let the programming language thing die now, OK?' */ ;
...or at least take it up and in a thread where that's the topic. amen
So... in a nutshell, before you disrespect the program, and those of us who use it and love it, tidy up your own house a bit and see what the issue is in your machine. As far as the GUI.... where the buttons are and such things.... learn the program. If you're using a version that's 8 years old, do an update rather than complain about the lack of features in the one you have. A lot has improved during that time.
Before you disrespect those of us who think the program design is lacking or poor in this or that way, actually listen to, comprehend and consider what they're saying vs complaining about/snipping at the comments. We've been down this road and I've already explained and caveated more than enough, not about to do it any more. PS: I've also put in a fair # of hours on it to date so spare me the "learn the program" BS. You disagree or don't get it, fine, move on. Someone's been reading that Dale Carnegie again!
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