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I personally love all kinds of music, but especially pop and radio friendly country. That is SO not what the majority here likes. I also really like non-radio songs A LOT. As a result, in discussions I can relate, but also tended to bring in my experiences from other sources that are not favored as much. The "Millennial Whoop" thread got me thinking. For the longest time I really haven't said much on the boards just because I feel I am in a different universe at times. That is a prime example of something I've known of and have used for a few years now. I have to know this stuff. My livelihood depends on it! I think many times my goals here are different than others. Mine are, by no means, better just different. I can totally appreciate the writing that goes on here...it's just not what I do. I purposely don't post my work here because I think it would be met with SOOO many eye-roles. It's not that I can't rejection, but there's no point in going in to GET rejected! LOL "Know your audience" as they say. So, my apologies for my annoyances. I never put that together before and should have! Ha! An epiphany! In case anyone would happen to take this as not intended, I am not even remotely upset. I'm laughing that I didn't put this together before! "Duh!" Would be appropriate here! 
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I personally love all kinds of music, but especially pop and radio friendly country. That is SO not what the majority here likes. I also really like non-radio songs A LOT. As a result, in discussions I can relate, but also tended to bring in my experiences from other sources that are not favored as much. The "Millennial Whoop" thread got me thinking. For the longest time I really haven't said much on the boards just because I feel I am in a different universe at times. That is a prime example of something I've known of and have used for a few years now. I have to know this stuff. My livelihood depends on it! I think many times my goals here are different than others. Mine are, by no means, better just different. I can totally appreciate the writing that goes on here...it's just not what I do. I purposely don't post my work here because I think it would be met with SOOO many eye-roles. It's not that I can't rejection, but there's no point in going in to GET rejected! LOL "Know your audience" as they say.
So, my apologies for my annoyances. I never put that together before and should have! Ha! An epiphany! In case anyone would happen to take this as not intended, I am not even remotely upset. I'm laughing that I didn't put this together before! "Duh!" Would be appropriate here! Well I for one would sure like to get a listen to your songs or any other kind of music that you do, but if you don't want to share it because of fear of rejection, catch 22, no one is going to get to hear it. So be brave give us a link to something. Musiclover
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For the longest time I really haven't said much on the boards just because I feel I am in a different universe at times. That is a prime example of something I've known of and have used for a few years now. I have to know this stuff. My livelihood depends on it!
I purposely don't post my work here because I think it would be met with SOOO many eye-roles. It's not that I can't rejection, but there's no point in going in to GET rejected! LOL "Know your audience" as they say. Well... My taste in music/songs is far more narrow than yourself and most here. My writing style...or, however anyone would describe it, wouldn't have any mass appeal. Other than maybe soliciting outside opinions on a final mix, I don't promote myself or ask people to listen to my drivel either. I accept that and my trying to make it/live band days are long passed. It's just creative therapy for me. But, you are doing this for a living and must adhere to the protocols that keep you employed. I tend to think we are an older, more selective bunch but would still respect your efforts...which we have never heard yet.  You're doing it for a living and many here who aspire to a similar niche as yourself would probably benefit by your comments, insights, road bumps and industry trends. Doesn't matter that some here would 'roll their eyes'. The mature participants here would listen and learn. Just thought I'd throw that out for your to mull over. Carry on....
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I am in a different universe most of the time but that doesn't stop me from posting. I have had people whom I didn't think they would like some of my music say they do. You never know. So post it! Ask for comments and you might be very surprised. PS I have listen to some genres here that I am either not familiar with or I do not care for and I have learned from them. Exposure is a good thing. OOPS since I do not want to be responsible for anyone going to jail it will modify that statement with exposure of your music is a good thing Also this is not a gig so knowing your audience doesn't come into play here.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Nothing to lose by posting but much might be gained.
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I agree with the others that recommend you post.
You're a pro, and as others stated, that fact may in itself draw interest. I know it would for me.
As a pro, I know you're not a one trick pony. So make a choice:
Post what you think may be the best forum acceptable song choice from your body of work and get ready to possibly wear your feelings on your sleeve. Or:
Post what you think may be the worst forum acceptable song choice from your body of work and be able to tell yourself you guessed right. Or:
Be pleasantly surprised we like your stuff....
Like "50 Years" Still one of my favorite song posts of all time.
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I personally love all kinds of music, but especially pop and radio friendly country. That is SO not what the majority here likes. I also really like non-radio songs A LOT. As a result, in discussions I can relate, but also tended to bring in my experiences from other sources that are not favored as much. The "Millennial Whoop" thread got me thinking. For the longest time I really haven't said much on the boards just because I feel I am in a different universe at times. That is a prime example of something I've known of and have used for a few years now. I have to know this stuff. My livelihood depends on it! I think many times my goals here are different than others. Mine are, by no means, better just different. I can totally appreciate the writing that goes on here...it's just not what I do. I purposely don't post my work here because I think it would be met with SOOO many eye-roles. It's not that I can't rejection, but there's no point in going in to GET rejected! LOL "Know your audience" as they say. So, my apologies for my annoyances. I never put that together before and should have! Ha! An epiphany! In case anyone would happen to take this as not intended, I am not even remotely upset. I'm laughing that I didn't put this together before! "Duh!" Would be appropriate here! I'd be cautious about posting your work stuff online (here or anywhere.) What is the upside for you? Are you gonna reach new customers? If not, why do it? The downside is someone might have negative comments and those exist forever on the net for your real customers to read!
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Post away. I'd say the most common trait of User Forumites is age (older) not genre. Pop, jazz, blues, new age, punk, metal, bluegrass, folk, country, rock, indie, orchestral, Americana, rockabilly, euro dance, and more - I've heard it all there. The forum demonstrates the amazing versatility of BiaB.
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Post away. I'd say the most common trait of User Forumites is age (older) not genre. Pop, jazz, blues, new age, punk, metal, bluegrass, folk, country, rock, indie, orchestral, Americana, rockabilly, euro dance, and more - I've heard it all there. The forum demonstrates the amazing versatility of BiaB. Could you please speak up , Mr. Bud? My hearing ain't what it used to be! 
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"I'd be cautious about posting your work stuff online (here or anywhere.) What is the upside for you? Are you gonna reach new customers? If not, why do it? The downside is someone might have negative comments and those exist forever on the net for your real customers to read!"
His career will probably be safe as long as he posts using his "HearToLearn" alias.
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"I'd be cautious about posting your work stuff online (here or anywhere.) What is the upside for you? Are you gonna reach new customers? If not, why do it? The downside is someone might have negative comments and those exist forever on the net for your real customers to read!"
His career will probably be safe as long as he posts using his "HearToLearn" alias. Exactly.... AS far as getting eye rolls, who really cares? Post the stuff and let the chips fall where they may. I hear stuff here that I absolutely love and other stuff that I roll those proverbial eyes at. I have backed off of posting my thoughts on every post or even most posts. Now, I comment on the things that catch my attention. As far as posting songs... yeah, post them and let folks hear what you're doing. I doubt that the publishers or libraries have the time or manpower to go looking for your on-line aliases in music forum sites. You can end up getting some good feedback on both the writing and the production chops. Just be sure to ask for the kind of feedback you want because most folks (with a few exceptions) don't generally offer up detailed advice in those areas.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Here is another reason to post.
In most instances I am more interested in how a song is put together than I am the song. I may not care for a song but may discover something of interest in the production.
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In my 15-odd years on these forums, I have yet to see someone flamed after posting a tune. Granted, we've had our fair share of trolls but they seldom linger around after seeing the experience and raw talent displayed here. We have countless "experts" all areas of music and it's related skills.
The friendly, family atmosphere here seems to repulse trouble-makers, especially when they realize how well-moderated we are. Something totally foreign to some other sites I've visited where a very few wield all the power. No one here presumes that they already know it all. We all learn from one another. I think the term is synergy. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.
I'm not as active in commenting but I listen objectively and comment infrequently. I often wonder: Now, how did they do that? I'm guilty of listening more to my friends' works than to strangers. I won't apologize for a natural tendency that is universally true. I'm aware of it and hope to be more up-building and encouraging in the future.
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So many great comments! They are much appreciated to. I find you seldom know what people are thinking unless you ask.
Charlie, that was a awesome feeling to read what you said about "50 Years!" So much appreciation for that comment! Thanks!
As far as being a profession, I don't think I would put myself there. In one aspect, jingles, I would...but song writing is actually very different. The funny thing is, I find I tend to write, as an example, a verse, about 30 seconds long. Same for the Chorus...and on and on. Old habits die hard!
The thread was basically about expressing that feeling of having one foot on the brake, and one on the gas. At some point you have to decide. I was trying to figure out "why" I had one on the brake, and that's where the post comes from.
I'm impressed with much of the writing and creativity that goes on with this forum. It's so cool to see how people are using such a great product.
Not to mention, the interactions and co-writing that is going on is just awesome!
My approach to writing is SO different than what I have seen on the forums. It's not that I think I'm better by any stretch of the imagination. Just very different in how I go about things. It's to the point where I would be embarrassed to discuss my techniques for fear of looking the idiot! No kidding!
The up side is, they get me the results I'm looking for! It just takes a lot of time and dedication...and it is the LONG road to be sure.
When I do write songs, they are usually for bands that use them as their own. It's sort of my outlet from writing literally commercially.
At some point, maybe I will post something for the sake of writing. Winter is more my writing time. As we creep closer to it, my thoughts went the way of this thread.
Again, I thank you all for the replies. I read all them all. Such great advice in them!
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That is an interesting thread, agreed.
You don't see much of my stuff here. I have on occasion posted a holiday-themed jazz instrumental song I wrote (which is easy, because I only do instrumentals!) for the purpose of demonstrating the latest RealTracks etc. But I don't post in the user forums because most of what I do with BIAB is pre-production. As a composer/arranger, I use BIAB heavily on every project but my final goal is only to produce a composer demo. I don't care about the production quality. It will be used only to communicate generally what I want to the players who will be recording.
There are a bunch of CDs out there that exhibit my work, which have a direct link to BIAB in their development, but only two where my songs are featured as I wrote them. My Brazilian jazz CD is one, and there's another where I wrote 8 of the 11 songs and the CD won recognition as one of the top 10 CDs of 2010 in Latin Beat Magazine. Yeah, I know: how does someone who looks like me write that? I get this question a lot. I do have an answer.
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... Yeah, I know: how does someone who looks like me write that? I get this question a lot. I do have an answer.
Matt, you must have pressed Submit before completing the paragraph you were typing... And?
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Matt, you must have pressed Submit before completing the paragraph you were typing... And? Ha! That's funny!
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HTL, "My approach to writing is SO different than what I have seen on the forums. It's not that I think I'm better by any stretch of the imagination. Just very different in how I go about things. It's to the point where I would be embarrassed to discuss my techniques for fear of looking the idiot! No kidding!" That seems to summarize my reluctance to comment. I'm embarrassed to ask fundamental questions after being a BIABer for so long. I'm supposed to KNOW. No one has even said so but it's a feeling I have , right or wrong. I learn new aspects of the program with every session, I should be easier on myself. Don
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HTL, "My approach to writing is SO different than what I have seen on the forums. It's not that I think I'm better by any stretch of the imagination. Just very different in how I go about things. It's to the point where I would be embarrassed to discuss my techniques for fear of looking the idiot! No kidding!" That seems to summarize my reluctance to comment. I'm embarrassed to ask fundamental questions after being a BIABer for so long. I'm supposed to KNOW. No one has even said so but it's a feeling I have , right or wrong. I learn new aspects of the program with every session, I should be easier on myself. Don Don, just ask your questions. You are one of the most admired and respected forum members and Biab is such a music comprehensive program that there are areas that many of us never or rarely travel into and when we do, we sometimes have to ask the most fundamental of questions in that particular area from others who are more proficient in that area. Some are midi experts, some are notation experts and some are vst/dxi experts and so on. I use the Audio Chord Wizard daily and recently placed a request in the Biab wishlist forum about making a hot key shortcut. Several others stated their support - finally one member posted that he just used the ACW button on the main screen! A particular fact I had completely overlooked as I was in the habit of opening the ACW through a menu option. I just laughed and began using the button that had been in front of me the whole time. I was making a fundamental mistake that was easily corrected and helped my workflow simply by asking a dumb question...
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HTL, "My approach to writing is SO different than what I have seen on the forums. It's not that I think I'm better by any stretch of the imagination. Just very different in how I go about things. It's to the point where I would be embarrassed to discuss my techniques for fear of looking the idiot! No kidding!" That seems to summarize my reluctance to comment. I'm embarrassed to ask fundamental questions after being a BIABer for so long. I'm supposed to KNOW. No one has even said so but it's a feeling I have , right or wrong. I learn new aspects of the program with every session, I should be easier on myself. Don Don, just ask your questions. You are one of the most admired and respected forum members and Biab is such a music comprehensive program that there are areas that many of us never or rarely travel into and when we do, we sometimes have to ask the most fundamental of questions in that particular area from others who are more proficient in that area. Some are midi experts, some are notation experts and some are vst/dxi experts and so on. I use the Audio Chord Wizard daily and recently placed a request in the Biab wishlist forum about making a hot key shortcut. Several others stated their support - finally one member posted that he just used the ACW button on the main screen! A particular fact I had completely overlooked as I was in the habit of opening the ACW through a menu option. I just laughed and began using the button that had been in front of me the whole time. I was making a fundamental mistake that was easily corrected and helped my workflow simply by asking a dumb question... Charlie, Thanks for the confidence injection. Off hand, I can't think of a example question but I have them with each BIAB/RB session. I see folks much further along the learning curve, even relatively newbees, and I get intimidated and, therefore, hesitant to ask. I've never been good at reading comprehending Users' Manuals, am quite severely dyslexic, so I generally learn by hands-on experience. I am currently struggling to wrap a very reluctant brain around RB. I know that RB is EVERYTHING I need but my learning process is rebelling. I asked Tobin to write a RB 101 For Idiots, which he did, and I still can't understand it's basic capabilities. Where do I go from there? There are many excellent video tutorials both here and on YouTube but my brain simply shuts down in rebellion. Someone described it: "To try to think is not to think!" If anyone wants to take my hand and walk me through, at least the fundamentals of RB, I'd be eternally grateful. Donny
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The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
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