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Mr. Beagle, I do believe you are probably correct. Toshibas are known to be quirky. RB may just be bringing out some quirk that as you say won't be addressed as it may only affect a few. I do have a suitable work around. NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5200-- http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-FX-Go-5200.6944.0.html
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however, I would like to offer the suggestion that your video card cannot handle the situation.
This sounds plausible, but is it compatible with fact that all he has to do is save the file first and the problem goes away?
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however, I would like to offer the suggestion that your video card cannot handle the situation.
This sounds plausible, but is it compatible with fact that all he has to do is save the file first and the problem goes away?
I would think that it doesn't rule it out at least. Only the writers of the code for RB and the drivers for the video card would be able to determine that for certain, but I think it's "plausible."
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I've been wrong once or twice before  so I don't want to make a categorical statement, but I'd be very surprised if a video chip capable of playing some pretty reasonable games would be at all stressed by RB's little updates. IMHO it is far more likely to be other I/O slowing the whole process down...
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya  --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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The answer will be found when we answer the original question.
"why does saving the song before playing cure the problem"
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John,
I have been reading through you posts regarding your RB problem. It sounds very irritating. Just to get it clear in my own mind, what do you mean be "video/scroll stuttering"?
Do you mean that the cursor that indicates Now time (or song bar) moves aross the screen erratically while the song plays? If this is so, is the sound output affected at all?
Kind regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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G'day John,
finally found some specs on your notebook - if the internal drive is original it is an 80GB Toshiba unit running at 4200 RPM (dunno 'bout cache - not listed) - this is a comparatively slow device. Were this my own machine I'd seriously look at a bigger, faster unit with some decent cache. Everything about the machine would improve and it would likely solve the RB issue too.
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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with respect mate you ask for help ,
but then dont answer the questions ive asked.
such as your settings in audition and other questions.
so i'll ask again , what drivers does audition show for input and output ??
mme ?? asio ?? pics would help as would pics of rb settings.
lawrie.
yeh i wouldnt use a slow internal drive like that.
but i thought this had been answered and he upgraded it ??.
the other anomoly is that silver says he gets 52 traks in audition
useing the same config. without stutters.
which surprised me. with such drive.
i'd be surprised if the prob lies in rb programming code ,
cos other people dont seem to be getting the same prob.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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Manning,
Yes to all of your questions.
No difference in settings that I can tell although RB & Audition output buffer is the same Audition has an additional setting for the amount of buffers. RB doesn't have this. It must be preset.
Audition also has a wave cache that is configurable. There is a check box to use system cache that is unchecked. I assume RB uses system cache. At the moment the Audition cache is at 16384K bytes.
Watching task Manager as I removed tracks from the project the memory usage would drop. When I load tracks in RB the memory usage stays the same.
So Audition is loading the tracks into memory? & RB is streaming from the disc?
Manning,
No offense at all.
I thought I answered your questions. I'm not a beginner with computers. I've been using DAWs for over 10 years. Don't be offended either. When I say their the same their the same. All 3 cards as in RB, same sample/bit rate, WDM .
Why does saving the song fix the issue for the session? This is the answer. What's going on when you save?
Noel,
Yes the bar moves across the screen in a jumpy fashion. Saving the song first stops the problem for that seession/song.
Lawrie,
When I got the notebook the drive was bad. I replaced it with this:
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=312
And replaced the memory with 2 1G sticks.
I do believe it's an oddity between the code in RB and the Vid drivers in my lappy that saving resets?
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G'day John,
that drive should be fine...
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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silvertones
from the rb help file..
(press the help button in rb audio preferences)
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Note: When using MME drivers, Port number 1 is used
as a source of timing when syncing MIDI to digital audio.
If you are attempting to use two different brands of sound cards together
on one computer as two separate ports, there may be timing problems
if the cards have different DMA buffer sizes,
but it is possible you may not encounter any noticeable timing issues.
The multi-port feature is mainly meant for multi-port cards.
Feel free to try multiple sound cards, but your results may vary.
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now i dont know if this is your problem mate.
and the effects of haveing 3 sound cards.
but i'm suspicious of an interplay tween your rb settings
in audio prefs, the sound card and the video subsystem in your lappie.
"something" obviously is stopping the vid subsystem from getting the info
for display. leading to stutters.
the other thing i would do is in audio prefs,
experiment with the buffer sizes.
try increaseing em n see.
i would really really go thru the audio prefs in rb trying different things
rather than just going with defaults.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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Do remember from the past I've stipped this lappy down to bare essentials with no change:
1. internal card only
2. disabled all networking cards
3. stopped all startup programs
4. minimized processes
5. reinstalled the program
6. reinstalled vid drivers
7. played with audio settings until I"m blue in the face
8. reinstalled the OS
9. ran tests on the vid card, ram, HD processor all good
I sent you a PM BTW
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thnks for pm..reply sent.
well i wasnt aware you'd done all the above.
i'm stumped..lol.
overall if no probs in audition then i cant see why probs in rb.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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Does Adobe Audition load and use DX/DXi?
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No Mac it does not. Are you thinking that the known issue of not releasing DXi on closing a song may be related?
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No, I was thinking that might be at least one difference between the two programs. Now I'm thinking that there may be something going on with a DXi synth and the way RB/PT addresses things there.
Or maybe a "rogue" VST plugin...
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There appears to be no way to have RB not load a default DXi. Unless you uninstall all of them.
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reply sent in response to your pm.
prefs>>midi , make sure no default synth is selected
from what i can see (plus clik ok n save as seq) .
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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Still trying to determine why save cures the problem.
If I open a song and hit save it takes 48 seconds to save. If I hit save again it takes 15 seconds. Something is definetly happening during this first save.
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Maybe if you hit Save and haven't *changed* anything in the actual file first, the program knows that and only reassigns the name header data for the same file.
Maybe.
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