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#371538 - 10/25/16 06:09 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Laptop suggestions
Andy A - USA Offline
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Hi folks. Thoughts, please.

1st, I am not a techie kinda person, so speak to me as you would a child.

My dog is getting super lonely while I sit in my office/studio at my PC so much of the day/night with work and BIAB. I'm not kidding, he is one sad guy.

I need to get an inexpensive (as possible) PC laptop that would be dedicated to BIAB and a DAW to use in my den. Used is fine. I won't run any unrequired programs on it. No Office Suite (Word), etc.

What do you think would be the minimal parameters it would need? Or, any suggestions for make/models? Cheap. Used. I'll need small-ish monitors there also, so if you have suggestions, I'll take them.

Thanks.
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#371556 - 10/25/16 07:49 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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We know that BIAB 2016 requires a PC that scores around 1500 minimum on the single-core Geekbench test (a free utility you can download). You could pretty easily test a candidate laptop.

KRK and M-Audio make pretty good small monitors for the money.

Can't help with the dog.
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#371559 - 10/25/16 07:55 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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Goodwill stores in my area sell used desk and laptop computers. They refurbish them and update the operating system. Used laptops start at about $100.

Of course bigger is better but truthfully any present day laptop you get should handle Band-in-a-Box. The big difference you will notice is it will take longer for the program to open up because laptop hard drives normally are slower than desktop hard drives (5,400 rpm for most laptop hard drives versus 7,200 or 10,000 rpm for desktop). Once the program loads up it operates from the computer memory.

The laptop I'm using is four years old and works fine.
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#371564 - 10/25/16 08:05 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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My personal suggestion;
Surface Pro
It may not seem worth it at first, but down the road you'll likely appreciate the choice.
Just my opinion.
I've seen these be very reliable workhorses in various situations. Value over time and all that ..
YMMV


Edited by rharv (10/25/16 08:07 PM)
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#371598 - 10/26/16 05:50 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
Andy A - USA Offline
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You guys are the best. Thank you.
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#371600 - 10/26/16 05:59 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Matt Finley]
Andy A - USA Offline
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HA! He's gonna be so happy.

I have a 10 year old laptop, runs Vista and it will not run BIAB consistently. Freezes or takes 10 mins to load (then freezes). I can't upgrade the operating system. It's fine for surfing, but not much more.

Thanks for your help, Matt!
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#371605 - 10/26/16 07:08 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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Newegg
has a number of refurbished laptops. You may want to take a look.

Also regardless of what laptop you purchase be sure to delete all of the bloat ware that comes with them. Also be sure to make a couple of backup discs.

Good luck.
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#371607 - 10/26/16 07:27 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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Whenever I re-install from restore discs, or purchase a new computer, I always run PC-Decrapifier to get rid of the bloatware that comes pre-installed.
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#371619 - 10/26/16 10:33 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
Andy A - USA Offline
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Thanks for the bloatware tips! And Decrapifier! What a great name.

I buy and lease real estate and I had an old, eccentric codger I dealt with... old wealthy family that owned a lot of real estate and radio stations and shopping centers, etc. His office was in an ancient, 2-pump Texaco gas station, dark and dusty/musty...creepy as hell, filled with filing cabinets and old newspapers.

He had a clause in all his contracts everyone had to include, entitled:

My Anti-Legal-Rip-off Clause.

We was my hero!
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#371635 - 10/26/16 12:17 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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Originally Posted By: Andy A - USA

I buy and lease real estate and I had an old, eccentric codger I dealt with... old wealthy family that owned a lot of real estate and radio stations and shopping centers, etc. His office was in an ancient, 2-pump Texaco gas station, dark and dusty/musty...creepy as hell, filled with filing cabinets and old newspapers.

He had a clause in all his contracts everyone had to include, entitled:

My Anti-Legal-Rip-off Clause.

We was my hero!


What a character laugh I'd walk around with that contract all day every day, making everybody I talked to sign it... just to be safe!
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#371637 - 10/26/16 12:59 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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Andy, not to be presumptive but it sounds like you could afford something nice.

I would get a newer lappy with at least 8 gigs ram and most importantly a minimum 256 gig SSD running Win 10 and a 1 or 2 TB standard HD for storage. You install the full Biab including all the RT's on the SSD.

Biab or RB opens in like 5 seconds and your songs generate in maybe 4 seconds. This allows you to do all kinds of experimentation to check out different styles or arrangements or adding different RT's without waiting for "eons" for the thing to regenerate each time.

You will be so much happier, trust me on this. Check out my sig I got my new system last July.

Bob
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#371673 - 10/26/16 05:21 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
Andy A - USA Offline
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Yeah, but I'm a frugal guy. smile

I don't disagree, you are absolutely right about not under-buying. I've certainly done that before. I wish I'd have started out with a higher quality guitar when I was 15 and not have spent years incrementally "buying up."

I'm thinking because of the den's layout, I can't have large-ish monitors there and will need to do anything really serious at the PC. Not that I know how to mix regardless of the PC speed/monitors/blind luck, but I can goof around on the LT with instruments and tempo and such.

But I'm going to look at everything from all angles, so everyone's input is greatly, greatly appreciated. I definitely don't want to buy anything that I should have known beforehand would not even run BIAB.

Thanks guys.
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#371728 - 10/27/16 07:11 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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IF you buy used or refurbished and If you plan on getting on the Internet then be sure to look for something that has Windows 10 installed. All other versions of Windows will be unsupported soon. Thus you will have to shell out another $100 USD to buy Windows 10.

Personally I wouldn't buy anything that doesn't have Win 10 installed but YMMV.

PS - If you never get on the Internet with this computer then it probably doesn't matter what OS you use. I say probably because I'm sure there will be or there already is software that require Win 10.
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#371732 - 10/27/16 07:47 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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[quote=Andy A - USA]Yeah, but I'm a frugal guy. smile I don't disagree, you are absolutely right about not under-buying. I've certainly done that before. I wish I'd have started out with a higher quality guitar when I was 15 and not have spent years incrementally "buying up." /quote]

I didn't read every response.
I would only submit that I tend to think too many 'under-buy'.
In this context....being 'frugal' is one thing, being imprudent with a purchase of this nature is another. smile

I would suggest buy something that you will not grow out of in a short amount of time.

Happy spending....carry on.
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#371737 - 10/27/16 08:03 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Laptop suggestions [Re: Andy A - USA]
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BTW, Windows 7 (Service Pack 1) extended support ends on 14 January 2020.
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