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#323307 - 12/05/15 05:43 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MusicStudent]
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Oh for goodness sake, let it go crazy


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#323328 - 12/05/15 06:52 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: BobF]
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#323426 - 12/06/15 08:27 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: BobF]
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What your saying is? Getting PG Music to support 64 bit is like beating a dead horse.

Ouch. I'm not sure PGMusic would be proud of that statement? Especially in the software world where things are always changing fast. To imply that a software company is unwilling to move forward is a great insult to the company.

In the end it really doesn't matter. Laptops and personal computers are becoming less popular every year. I have several musician friends that don't own a tradition computer.

If iRealPro keeps developing it's software PGMusic will have to play catch up in the portable device market. I purchased both the BIAB android apps. They are a joke. I use iRealPro for my portable devices.

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#323473 - 12/06/15 11:12 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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Originally Posted By: MJames
What your saying is? Getting PG Music to support 64 bit is like beating a dead horse.

Ouch. I'm not sure PGMusic would be proud of that statement? Especially in the software world where things are always changing fast. To imply that a software company is unwilling to move forward is a great insult to the company.

In the end it really doesn't matter. Laptops and personal computers are becoming less popular every year. I have several musician friends that don't own a tradition computer.

If iRealPro keeps developing it's software PGMusic will have to play catch up in the portable device market. I purchased both the BIAB android apps. They are a joke. I use iRealPro for my portable devices.


Check my understanding:

"BiaB Android apps are a joke." is better than "Getting PG Music to support 64 bit is like beating a dead horse."

Is my understanding correct?

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#323534 - 12/06/15 06:54 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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I now believe the 64 bit support is like beating a dead horse.

A fully functional Android option "without the clumsy sever stuff" is still a viable market that PGMusic would be wise to jump into early.

iRealPro as good as it is, doesn't sound nearly as good as BIAB. Then again it only costs $12.00. But, it has a much friendlier user interface and you have 1500 songs "chords only" in a matter of minutes downloaded from the iRealPro forums. You also never have to pay for upgrades.
The reality is, most people just need this kind of software for practicing and iRealPro works great for that.
But for people wanting high quality play along tracks that can be made without the confusing server option "I feel the server stuff defeats the purpose of having a portable device." I think would be willing to pay upwards of a $100.00 for an Android option that sounds better than iRealPro. Especially people who want to perform with a BIAB Android option.

But then again. If PGMusic isn't willing to compile their current code to work in 64Bit, then I'm guessing making a great Android OS version is out of the question.

I think it's ironic. We first pay for many upgrades that clutter the user interface, then we have to pay/upgrade to get a friendlier user interface.

Just so you all know my purchase history. I have been using BIAB since 1998. On average I skipped an upgrade once every three years. I have willingly given thousands of dollars to PGMusic.

I'll say it again. I will not purchase another upgrade until they release a 64Bit option. There is no excuse at this point. Windows 7 was the first stable 64Bit Windoes OS "XP 64Bit had issues" that was released in 2009. Almost seven years ago now.

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#376551 - 11/24/16 08:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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I'm wondering if a new 64 Bit Band-In-A-Box is coming in 2017? I'm still using my 2014 version of BIAB. It works perfectly and I have no reason to upgrade unless 64 bit is implemented. BIAB one of the last audio apps made that doesn't offer a 64 option. So far I've saved around $450.00 in upgrade charges. Either way I win. If 64 bit is implemented I will be the first to buy it. If no 64 bit, then I get to keep my money. smile

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#376554 - 11/24/16 08:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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Me too now believe the 64 bit support is like beating a dead horse mad me too saving $$$ smile so I can buy new Behringer UFX1604 direct to disk 16 ch recorder/mixer smile

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=376200

43993 hits on this post ???? no we don't need 64bit.

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#376695 - 11/25/16 09:20 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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As I said before, I would prefer to see resources spent on fixing old bugs, modernizing / flexibilizing the GUI and enhancing existing features (music XML, notation, layers, proper support for all time signatures, help system, hold / shot / slash chords, endings, undo command, etc, etc, etc...)


Edited by Cerio (11/25/16 09:39 AM)

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#376705 - 11/25/16 09:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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I'd like to start saying that I don't have any insider info.

But, having said that, I don't think that BIAB 2017 will be a 64-bit app.

And, as all my other music-making apps they've been 64-bit for some time now, I'll most probably skip the upgrade.

HTH,


Edited by LtKojak (11/25/16 09:54 AM)
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#376732 - 11/25/16 11:01 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: LtKojak]
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#377092 - 11/26/16 08:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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I've seen this topic come and go over the years and I've tended to ignore it. Mainly because I have no need for 64 bit. I suspect that it becomes an "economy of scale" issue for PGMuaic, much like the PC/MAC issue of some years ago.

At that time, there just didn't seem to be enough Mac users of BIAB for PGM to devote resources to its development. When there finally WERE enough of these PGM began their mid-year release of an upgraded Mac version.

So, PGM looks at the sales volume increases over the last several years (I'm assuming there's been increases), and compares that to the amount of resources it would take to develop a 64 bit product vs how many users WON'T upgrade if there's no 64 bit.

It all comes down to the numbers.
Of course all of this is merely conjecture, and I may be way off base. It's just the way I would look at it from a business point of view.

My 2cents CDN.
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#377094 - 11/26/16 08:10 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: Lloyd S]
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I could care less about 32 vs 64. As long as it works on my machines I'm happy. I upgrade every year for the additional real tracks. In the past upgrades cost $100 for everything and I get 201 new RT's 50 cents apiece. How can I go wrong? Everything else is just more candy!

If there is just one really useable RT in the bunch it means I don't have to pay $50.00 an hour for that paticular studio musician, The third hour and beyond is free!!
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#377097 - 11/26/16 08:23 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: Lloyd S]
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The issue here is not 64-bit per se because every "Windows 64 bit" machine has lots of stuff running in 32-bit mode. I believe the issue is in being able to use one's full collection of VSTs with BIAB directly. That is more than just 64-bit support. PGMusic should be looking at evolving the mixer section to not be a full-function DAW, but to be a bit more flexible in the use of VSTs. BIAB should support less limited effects chains.

Most VSTs are shipped with moth 32-bit and 64-bit versions. However, BIAB is one of the few music/sound oriented programs to not provide 64-bit support, so many of us would consider it a real nuisance to maintain 32-bit VST libraries just for BIAB.

Regarding the market, I have trouble believing that any XP or Vista user would be interested in paying hundreds of dollars for the latest BIAB release. Windows 7 is about half 64-bit. Windows 8 and 10 are almost entirely 64-bit. I guess there would be a few users who have not invested in 32-bit and still want to spend hundreds of dollars on BIAB software, but not many, IMHO.

Obviously PGMusic could support both flavors for a couple of releases if they were really concerned about that. It isn't such a big deal. Many other software suppliers do that.
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#377119 - 11/26/16 09:20 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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My feeling is similar to Pumps2. I like the stability of my all 64-bit plugins and wouldn't consider purchasing new software that wasn't 64-bit. However, since there are so many aging PCs out there, I think it will be quite a few more years before 32-bit apps disappear; maybe decades.
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#377194 - 11/26/16 01:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: Pipeline]
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Windows can check online for a solution to the problem:
Windows found I was trying to run 64bit dll's in an old 32 bit application...to solve this error please consider updating to a 64bit version of the application.


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#377288 - 11/26/16 04:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: Pipeline]
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If PGMusic is genuinely concerned about the cost of maintaining parallel 32-bit and 64-bit versions and is genuinely concerned that eliminating the 32-bit option would cut off too many users, it seems to me there is yet another option.

Most users are interested in the additional styles more than the somewhat limited enhancements in the base engine. So PGMusic could freeze the 32-bit path at 2016, but continue to offer styles to the 32-bit community, as these styles should work with either platform.
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#377293 - 11/26/16 05:13 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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Why.....!

Radio stations across the world now play Mp3.

The sound is absolutely terrible...till I get home and play the same song on my 1982 separate hifi system on cd.

What good would 64 bit give us as biab users ?.

Because I pop in to this forum listen to the tracks posted and they sound as good as the .....60s...70s...80s..after that they compress it down to a fuzzy rabble.

I am really wanting to know what would be the gain...other than a number.32 or 64....?

Feel free to enlighten me Thanks

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#377300 - 11/26/16 05:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: MJames]
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There are lots of threads here that could help you with that. My main interest is accessing more RAM and benefitting from the stability of all 64-bit plugins.
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#377304 - 11/26/16 05:32 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: colly]
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Originally Posted By: colly
Why.....!
What good would 64 bit give us as biab users ?.


Sound "quality" involves a lot more than bit depth and compression levels. There is a whole universe of technology that can do amazing things to enhance the overall impact of the sound. When I take BIAB tracks into a DAW where I can use the full palate of tools, I can create a much higher impact product. In most cases, if I could simply use some of those effects directly under BIAB, I could get close to the same results with much less work.

In short, the sound coming out of BIAB today might sound pretty good compared to the days of tinny sounding GM softsynths. But it is an UNPOLISHED sound, clearly inferior in a world that raises the bar every year. PGMusic really needs to play better with others. Their strategy of ignoring the rest of the music technology world and trying to lock their users into a walled garden is just not very appealing to me.

And for the same reason, I have very little use for the PGMusic realtracks. Give me great MIDI lines and I can run that through the best VST instruments out there.
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#377313 - 11/26/16 05:44 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. [Re: Pipeline]
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We made do with 16bit that was ok we got by with it, was going to 32 any better ?
Was windows 7 64 any better than Windows XP 32 ?

Render track 32bit




Render track 64bit less than half the time




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