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There is a request for lap steel RealTracks:

1. Hawaiian steel guitar (a la Jerry Byrd for instance)
2. C&W/Western Swing lap steel guiar (a la cindy Cashdollar for instance)

(I have given just one example, I could give many more.)

Some players are noted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lap_steel_guitar. Many on this list I would not have named as "notable", but somebody else has, and some very notable are missing (Where are e.g. Herb Remington, Leon McAuliffe, and Bob Dunn?).


Edit: corrected typo: Many on these this list

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Originally Posted By: GHinCH
There is a request for lap steel RealTracks:

1. Hawaiian steel guitar (a la Jerry Byrd for instance)
2. C&W/Western Swing lap steel guiar (a la cindy Cashdollar for instance)

(I have given just one example, I could give many more.)

Some players are noted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lap_steel_guitar. Many on these list I would not have named as "notable", but somebody else has, and some very notable are missing (Where are e.g. Herb Remington, Leon McAuliffe, and Bob Dunn?).


I second this request and think that many of the top lap steel pickers would be interested in doing their bit for lap steel. Well I hope they would, generally they are a helpful bunch and love spreading the word. I could add two or three pickers I think would be good:
1. Joel Katz (Hawaiian and Jazz)
2. John Ely (Hawaiian / Jazz /Country)
3. Bazil Henriques has one of the biggest spread of musicality and a very precise picker. He is a stickler for correctness in both picking tone and how the piece should be played.

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Big +1 from me!


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And not just 'lap' steel gtr, I came on here today with the intention of requesting that 'slide' steel gtr be added (I'm unsure of the proper term as I'm not a guitar player). I'm referring to those playing styles where they put that metal 'thingy' on the grip finger, results in a lot of bent/slide notes with a sound you just cannot possibly replicate via midi.
Am I making sense to you guitarists with this one? confused


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Yes, you make sense. But, slide guitar is a different animal.

Still, I wouldn't throw these away, slide guitar is just a different style, different enough that it is not comparable to lap steel.

+1 for slide guitar in addition to lap steel.


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Yes, you make sense. But, slide guitar is a different animal.

Still, I wouldn't throw these away, slide guitar is just a different style, different enough that it is not comparable to lap steel.
Very good, as a non-guitarist myself I was in doubt over definitions. Perhaps a separate "request" thread is in order, then?


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Wellm it is ok if you make a separate request wish for slide guitar.


For those who are not sure what is what:

Slide guitar probably was the parent of 'em all, it is said that Portuguese sailors brought it to Hawaii. The people there modified it (raised strings and changed the tuning, named that "slack key") and the lap steel was born. Actually it was not a "steel" guitar, since the first "steel bars" were made of bone. First it was just a flat top acoustic guitar, and then a resonator acoustic guitar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o031JMU6K8&index=13&list=RDSIeWcSPbn6o
(authentic videos are hard to find), later it became electric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4F4vRmZa-M&list=RDSIeWcSPbn6o&index=2
In this video you see, why it is called lap steel guitar. Some players put the guitar on a table and played standing up, eventually it became height adjustable legs.

Western Swing and then Country and Western adopted the steel guitar and it became its signature sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwRhznTUoCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-m0ivnAFxA (just one example for the background sounds)
At the beginning they had one neck, then two necks, then three...
One example for playing on more than one neck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkS7x5lZCCQ

In the early fifties some players played with technology and modified their insturment. 1953 Webb Pierce's "Slowly" was the first recording where pedals were audible.
Here is one example of a pedal steel guitar where you can hear the pedal work (if you're trained):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5KzgAWX3w
and here the same tune showing the pedal work so you can follow the change of notes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zYUF8Isj5Q

And as a bonus track, pedal steel in a genre that is definitely not C&W:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUZnlxuXaG4


Now listen to slide guitar and hear the difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW08Rc802MQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu0XQVS9GCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-KyHiprcag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viqr6KHwJjc


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Quite the extensive overview there. When I said "slide guitar", I was making an educated guess on the actual term ("bottleneck" is new to me) and absolutely meant acoustic guitar. Now, the best showcase I found of what I was thinking of is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISAJq4_Fdq4


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That is also a good one. Btw, bottleneck is referring to the first tool they used. They broke off the neck of a bottle and put it on a finger and used it to play slide guitar.


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Anyway, I hope they give this a serious consideration, for as I said earlier, these sounds are just impossible to emulate.


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Would be great additions!


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+1 for sure.

I would love to see some Lap Steel RealTracks added as well as some slide guitar (both acoustic and electric) along with proper visual transcriptions onto the BIAB guitar fretboard so that we can learn to play any licks we can't figure out by ear.


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there are already a bunch of slide guitar real tracks... for acoustic, search for RESO or RESONATOR

and for electric, listen thru the blues soloists

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big + one for the lap steel

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+1 Western Swing lap steel!!!!

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Thanks GHinCH for getting my request for Hawaiian Lap Steel out there. I'm really looking for both evan and swing at slow med and fast tempo to use with my steel pan and ukulele when I want to play Hawaiian music or go for a Jimmy Buffet feel. Some one told me to just get a virtual Hawaiian lap steel guitar instrument but I don't have Komplete yet.


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