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Real tracks are real recordings from 1-8 bars. I got that. But if I use real tracks with a different style, it changes. How is this possible if it is a real fixed recording?
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LeoK,
The Realtrack cannot change. Because as you have said, it's a fixed recording. What might be happening is that the Realtrack is being automatically substituted for another one that's a better fit. BIAB does that, too. If substitutions have occurred, the substitute will have ~~ in front of the name.
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Also, RealTracks have more than one way to play something. The other style may favor different choices from the same RealTrack.
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Ok, got it. Thanks for the replies. I thought real tracks changed somehow. It also sounds different if the tempo changes.
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That's right because they are different recordings at different tempos. Things change all the time but when this came up some time ago I think there are three discrete sets for each Real Track both for key changes and tempo. The Elastique handles the spaces in between those.
Also, when you break an RT down from a 1 bar phrase up to an 8 bar phrase and then consider the variations of tempo or key changes there's a lot happening. PG doesn't publish much about this, maybe they're doing partial bars now. If so that would increase the possible combinations a lot. Don't forget too the other instruments affect your perception of any one RT. If you solo'd it there may be little change but radically change the other instruments and it can fool you into thinking that one track is different.
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Yes, there is more, but it is hard to figure out what. Maybe they are gluing single notes together. Technical it should be possible. I have a vocal software named Vocaloid. This is a recording of a real artist. You can type in any text you want and the software/singer singes the songs. This is build up by the individual letters. So individual notes for every pitch should be possible too I think. Music libraries are build up like that too.
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I disagree on one thing.... Real Tracks can and do change.
I have songs to prove it. In any given song, note the identifying number of the real track and use Real Band to generate that same exact track a second, third, fourth, fifth time and so on into a new track each time. Especially if that track is a SOLO track, you will end up with as many uniquely different generations as you have tracks. While the tracks will all tend to be similar, there will be noticeable differences in them that are useful. In other words, it doesn't simply replicate the recorded lick note for note each time. There's some kind of cool stuff going on below the surface that makes each track fairly unique each time it's generated. This is also evident in BB when you're using RT's.
Other users here as well as myself, have used this to good advantage in constructing a unique and well played solo or fills in song projects.
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Herb is right. That's what I alluded to above, but he said it better.
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And for any RealTrack, if you load the audio file for a RealTrack, you will find that for each one, there is a LOT of content recorded, which means that there is a lot to choose from. They don't just record one riff for each potential chord; they record a very long session that captures all (most of) the chords, and has many different riffs on (especially) the common chords. That means there is a lot to slice and dice and provides for many variations.
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Is it not possible each note is recorded, instead of chords? With individual notes it is easy to make each chord and you have all the options.
With all 12 notes in one key, you have many more chords. No idea how many. You can invert chords.
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My understanding is, No. You can do what you are suggesting in MIDI, though.
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The single note thing comes up all the time. To put it simply single note recordings are all over the place right now. They're called samples and are played by a sampler. You can buy Kontakt or Sampletank and play as many single notes as you want using midi.
The whole reason RT's were invented was to get away from that because single notes cannot capture the nuance of a real performance. A sax player for example does not play a series of individual single notes during a solo. He will slur them, spit them, hum them, do all kinds of things with them as groups of phrases not single notes and that's what you hear with a Real Track.
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Bob is right ... how to use RT's? Well, have a listen... I played a couple of guitar parts, but let BIAB do the rest... and with success, I might add. Trick was to generate multiple times, until I got the right feel for this Lazy Blues. I apologize for the shameful self-promotion, but, it is for the benefit of BIAB customers/fans, as to what you can do... especially with 2017!
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The single note thing comes up all the time. To put it simply single note recordings are all over the place right now. They're called samples and are played by a sampler. You can buy Kontakt or Sampletank and play as many single notes as you want using midi.
The whole reason RT's were invented was to get away from that because single notes cannot capture the nuance of a real performance. A sax player for example does not play a series of individual single notes during a solo. He will slur them, spit them, hum them, do all kinds of things with them as groups of phrases not single notes and that's what you hear with a Real Track.
Bob I am not saying they are individual notes. I am also guessing. I am working with Kontakt and midi > samples has more options as you think. Each note is recorded with different volumes, because a harder played note is not only harder, but sounds different. Second, if you can play with different articulations, you can also record it. I have string libraries with 10-15 different styles ( staccato, sustain, pizzicato, etc). With key switches you can switch to a different style. Even for one note. It can come very close to the real thing.
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I usually use BiaB to find a style and outline the song structure.
Then I load it into Real Band and generate additional versions of the BiaB Tracks. For Solos, I will generate about 3 versions.
After that, I may add other additional Real Tracks.
Once that's done, I render to wave & midi files and import to my DAW, where I pick out the best parts, slicing & dicing to get the best performance.
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