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I use the mixer as much as anything. Rendering each track as separate file saved me a lot of work. Not that long ago, I had to go through the tracks, muting all but one, one at a time. I still recall the relief when they synched. What would help is if the tracks could have individual real time effects and volume, slider controlled with a program to keep a record of the changes. In a real studio, the mix technician adds effects and then uses the track sliders to adjust tracks volumes individually until he is satisfied. Then, like magic, on replay, the sliders look like they are going up and down all by themselves. What has really happened, there is a built in record of the volume levels and changes, not unlike the usual levels on a DAW, but automatic and controlled by the memory of where the slider was at any given time. The mix is the mix. This is how Yamaha mixers work. It would keep a programmer busy for a couple of days. 
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This might get you some of the "BBox isn't a DAW" naysayers, but I for one absolutely love this idea. I for instance have had scenarios where I would have loved to be able to automate reverb changes midways into the song, much like you're suggesting. As it is now, I rarely make any alterations to the reverb of channels midways in, they just tend to be left as is throughout, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case for most other users who do their BBox things without a DAW  +1
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Edshaw, you are requesting what's called automation, where fader moves are recorded, can be edited, and then control playback. One of my wishes related to this is for BIAB to add support for the Mackie Control Unit protocol so users can add a hardware mixing board to BIAB. Check out the Behringer X-Touch or the soon-to-be-released Presonus Faderport 8 unit to see what I mean.
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Icelander and Matt:
First off, I am reinforced to know my request must have been worded in such a way as to be understood, right off. It doesn't always work that way.
So, yeah, thanks for the insights. I'll look up that Beringer hardware, Matt.
What I had in mind was enhancing the BB mixer; your ideas take it to another level , as indeed, the lab that comes up with automated, real time, volume and effects time lines, with memory to play back, which is huge, and has the savvy to copyright the code, might have the world beating a path to his door. I'm surprised SONY hasn't already done it, except I think SONY has been working out company identity issues. Why not BB?
The groundwork has been laid, in that we can set points, drag up the volume or pan lines, set fades, and a lot of other stuff, but just think if setting levels could be as easy as it is on dedicated hardware. What's left is for someone to say,"Do you have any idea what you are asking for?" Of coursel, the answer to that is, "No."
People say I am put of date, using the eight track digital Tascam. I a sense, they are right. I still use cue sheets.
Icelander is right. The extra steps cause us to cut corners all the time.
It is tedious and I have done it before. That is, break out the .WAV files and load them up to separate tracks on the recorder. My whole set of BB backup trax is on Tascam digital eight track flash card. When I play out and solo, the recorder is right there, with the faders in more or less constant use. The guitar is in the guitar input and the mic in the mic. It has two live inputs w/ phantom
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That Tascam unit is cute, a digital update of the old cassette-based units.
While I used your post to again push my request for control surface support, BIAB doesn't have to go that far to be improved. I don't know if you realize, a control surface is mirrored to and by the screen, so as you move one, the other changes. In other words, you can use a mouse on the screen, or a finger on a touchpad, or use the fader on the control surface, or use your iPad, and they all move simultaneously. I have exactly this going in SONAR. So while these discussions do indeed get into the area of what is a DAW and what is the purpose of BIAB, my goal is to stay in BIAB as long as I can because I'm a composer, and I like to try things. We have mouse control of an on-screen mixer in BIAB to start. Then you add the ability to make mouse movements and save them. Then edit them. Then port this to other devices. Does this help?
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BiaB is probably using a form of Automation internally to control the mixer. If you have both mixers visible, and adjust one, the other adjusts in synch.
There just needs the option to add the tracking recording functions.
Yes, externalizing this to allow it to be operated with a control surface is a long wished-for request, and all of the above definitely get my support.
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edshaw quote: "What I had in mind was enhancing the BB mixer; your ideas take it to another level , as indeed, the lab that comes up with automated, real time, volume and effects time lines, with memory to play back, which is huge, and has the savvy to copyright the code, might have the world beating a path to his door. I'm surprised SONY hasn't already done it, except I think SONY has been working out company identity issues. Why not BB?"
Springing off or Matt and your comments, why not BB?
Maybe they've been waiting for the hardware described by edshaw. Matt mentions the X-Touch which is close but Behringer has the digital X32 series of mixers that also work as audio interfaces.
They are mostly thought of and marketed for live use with studio functions mentioned as mostly an aside feature. Not so, in my opinion.
First, the x32 software can be configured to be an interface with Mackie control, HUI or Midi control. All of the various configurations of the X32 mixers share the same software. Therefore, they all function through either USB or Firewire as 32inx32out interfaces at up to 24/48 bit rate.
They all have 8 pro quality effects (configurable to 4 stereo if desired). high quality channel strip, automation is a breeze and completely controllable using Cues, Snippets and Scenes and motorized faders on the models that have faders. This feature makes the x32 series very popular in theatres and plays. For studio use, all x32 features and controls are accessed and controlled by Ipad/Ipod for the models without faders and the ones that have them. There is also a free editing software where setup and control can easily programmed.
If PGMusic were to consider controllers for BIAB, the x32 handles the 40 inputs in banks of 8. Perfect for BIAB. There are 25 buses.
The $600 Core will work as an interface controlled by an Ipad. It only has a single mic input and monitors out. You would have the additional purchase of an SD8,SD 16 or SD32 for physical input and outputs to use it as a mixer or to have additional physical inputs and outputs. But, if you already have an audio interface, you could configure the x32 for 32 inputs/outputs to your DAW and the audio interface you have for physical inputs and outputs. That's how I think Matt's setup operates with the X Touch and Mackie Control with his Focusrite 18i20.
The rack at just under $1200 is a good alternative if you want to use just the USB/Firewire. But in my opinion, the Compact at $1800 is the ideal alternative if price or footprint is an issue to eliminate purchasing the full size X32.
An x32 will function much as edshaw's Tascam does for him now. If desired, using Behringer's internal channel strip, dynamics, eq's, effects, buses, sends and returns, the computer functions as a recorder and huge resources are not necessary. I recorded 32 channels into a 2010 laptop with 4gb of ram into Studio One v3 pro without a glitch. At the same time, the X32 was recording a stereo feed of the session onto a flash drive.
My point is considering the x32 functionality, features, control and automation, it may be the hardware catalyst to interest PGMusic to explore the possibilities.
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