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#387078 - 12/29/16 12:55 PM [Beginners Forum] how sound is routed in Band in a box
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You may find this diagram helpful. This gives you a general idea of how sound is routed in Band-in-a-Box®



Edited by pghboemike (12/30/16 08:05 AM)
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#387085 - 12/29/16 01:15 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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Nice!
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#387086 - 12/29/16 01:16 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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Originally Posted By: pghboemike
You may find this diagram helpful. This gives you a general idea of how sound is routed in Band-in-a-Box®

No picture, mike!
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#387095 - 12/29/16 01:55 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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You have to click on the word "diagram" to see it.
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#387102 - 12/29/16 02:19 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: jford]
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Originally Posted By: jford
You have to click on the word "diagram" to see it.


Thanks John, with my bad eyes I couldnt see the colour difference. Lmao! cool crazy
Very informative.
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#387119 - 12/29/16 03:52 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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That link color really is a poor color choice .. and it is the default for the forum.
Someone should tell Andrew ..

/this was meant as a reply to Ian


Edited by rharv (01/01/17 06:53 AM)
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#387219 - 12/30/16 08:57 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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Bob, I saw your request about this but didn't understand it. In the first post here, I see the diagram and there is no link at all; perhaps pghboemike changed it?

EDIT: I see he edited the post...

pghboemike, really nice! A suggestion: consider adding "including SuperTracks" to the MIDI tracks box?


Edited by Matt Finley (12/30/16 09:00 AM)
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#387317 - 12/30/16 03:59 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: Matt Finley]
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sorry can't claim credit for the illustration
http://www.pgmusic.com/gfx/bbw_how_sound_is_heard.png unfortunately i can't remember where it was
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#387527 - 12/31/16 12:50 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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Originally Posted By: pghboemike
sorry can't claim credit for the illustration
http://www.pgmusic.com/gfx/bbw_how_sound_is_heard.png unfortunately i can't remember where it was


My memory might be wrong but I believe rharv created the drawing.
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#387647 - 01/01/17 06:52 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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I've done drawings on routing in previous posts (thanks for remembering) but I don't think I did that one.

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#387694 - 01/01/17 09:21 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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So does this mean that I can the MIDI out on my Focusrite to my drum machine MIDI in and RB will play those Real Drums with my drum machine sounds by sending MIDI note on messages to the drum machine?

Can I make RB play ANY source of MIDI drums? Like if I import that track into Pro Tools and set up a Steven Slate drum kit, would that track play with the Slate drum sounds?


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#387698 - 01/01/17 09:41 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: eddie1261]
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So does this mean that I can the MIDI out on my Focusrite to my drum machine MIDI in and RB will play those Real Drums with my drum machine sounds by sending MIDI note on messages to the drum machine?


'Realdrums' usually aren't MIDI, but if you do have MIDI drums to work with,
sure you can; just make sure to route the audio from the drum machine back in to RB .. easy!

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Can I make RB play ANY source of MIDI drums? Like if I import that track into Pro Tools and set up a Steven Slate drum kit, would that track play with the Slate drum sounds?


Again, if MIDI, yes. I can use the Slate drums right inside RB without Protools, so I would expect ProTools could handle it (grin).
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#388042 - 01/02/17 07:05 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: rharv]
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Harv, I am trying to not have to tap the drums in on a controller. I was hoping that whatever drums RB created sent the corresponding MIDI note numbers out to an external device. I am THE worst at tapping drums on a keyboard. I can't really think like a drummer.
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#388149 - 01/03/17 11:39 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: pghboemike]
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Nope, the link was originally there, but blended in with the rest of the text (as RHARV said, the default). When I post links (especially the ones with text wrapped around it, I will always try to make the link bolded to ensure you can see it.
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#388405 - 01/04/17 04:53 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: how sound is routed in Band in a box [Re: eddie1261]
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Harv, I am trying to not have to tap the drums in on a controller. I was hoping that whatever drums RB created sent the corresponding MIDI note numbers out to an external device. I am THE worst at tapping drums on a keyboard. I can't really think like a drummer.


Whatever (MIDI) drums RB creates will indeed send the corresponding note numbers (and MIDI channel, and velocity, and duration, and CC's, even SYSEX etc).

You shouldn't have to tap any notes.
How are you using the Slate drum sounds (which VSTi or whatever and which software)?

Most likely cause of the problem would be that RB's MIDI note numbers and channels are using the GM conventional mapping and maybe the synth isn't doing so.
RB tries to use conventional standards to make things easy but some software/plugins refuse to participate.
There are a few drum synths out there that just simply do not support normal conventions.
I have no idea why.


Again though; if you are using Realdrums, these are not MIDI. They are audio.
That's about the only situation where I could see RB not providing the expected data.
Otherwise the problem is likely on the other end.




Edited by rharv (01/04/17 05:12 PM)
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Mac Band-in-a-Box 2016 Patch Update - Build 161

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Windows RealTracks Patch Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2017 for Windows users can download the latest RealTracks patch here.

This patch includes RealTracks and MIDI SuperTracks updates we have made since the previous March 22 patch. The files updated are largely those that were released with Band-in-a-Box® 2017, although there are updates to some earlier ones as well.

Summary of changes:
Added: Guitar, Nylon, Rhythm AndesHuayno Ev16 085 now has complete transcriptions Added and can be viewed in the notation or lead sheet window.
Fixed: _BHALSA (Waltz) Style was not set to ¾ time, and now uses a more appropriate Bass
Fixed: _BLUESKY.STY mistakenly had drums in style.
Fixed: _CASUALE Style mistakenly included MIDI Guitar and Strings tracks.
Fixed: _RAMPART Style Demo mistakenly had the Master Volume turned way up.
Fixed: =JOLEO_B did not allow user volume changes
Fixed: Bass, Electric, RockPickedA-B Ev 165 and RT 2589 Bass, Electric, PunkFuzzPickedA-B Ev 165 had timing issues with some of the riffs.
Fixed: Charango, Rhythm AndesHuayno Ev16 085 was not playing sus chords.
Fixed: Guitar, Electric, Soloist JazzRock16thsJon Ev16 090 and RT2605 Guitar, Electric, Soloist JazzRockShuffleJon Sw 130 now have Hi-Q transcriptions. Now when the tablature or notation is viewed it will be more accurate and include bends, slides and other improvements.
Fixed: Loop file 'Trance - kit3beat135b ev16 tempo' was missing.
Fixed: NashvilleBrushesEasyBluegrass had the wrong audition demos.
Fixed: Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm TrainBeatMike12-key Ev 16 090 was playing some slash chords.
Fixed: RealTracks Audition files for "Roadhouse" Resonator Guitar were mixed up.
Fixed: Some direct input files were mislabeled for the RealTracks style 'Guitar, Electric, Rhythm NewOrleansMardiGras Ev16 085'.
Fixed: Some direct input files were missing for the RealTracks style 'Guitar, Electric, Soloist GypsyClassicQuinn Sw 220'.
Fixed: Some small memo typos Fixed including _RESFOLK* _RESWALZ* _BLUESKY*
Fixed: Some style mistakenly specified held chords for tracks. E.G. _NOCARES, _SONGBRD, _SOULPOP, _DAYSEND, _CARRYON
Fixed: The endings were not working properly in the A substyle for two variations in the RealDrums DrivingPop8ths^.
Fixed: The notation subdivision for the RealStyle _ASTRAL.STY was previously incorrect, and has been Fixed.
Fixed: The RealTrack that use Shots and Holds 345 were playing some incorrect chords
Improved: Over 90 RealTracks and MIDI SuperTracks have had the option for a 'Simple' arrangement Added. Now these RealTracks will play without embellishment when the Simple option is selected in the RealTracks picker.
Improved: More than 20 RealTracks now have Transcriptions enabled and the Simple option available.
Improved: Pianohld.sty has been improved, with better voice leading for the held piano.

Band-in-a-Box® 2017 for Mac - Build 180 Patch Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2017 for Mac customers can install the latest patch update (Build 180) here.

Added: Several requested 'genre' user categories in the StylePicker.
Added: Web links have been added to the Help menu.
Changed: "Tempo/Pitch Stretching Quality" now defaults to medium instead of low.
Fixed: "Save all tracks as M4A file..." was missing from the Master context menu.
Fixed: Drag and drop would fail if the song title contained a period (eg "Up with the Trees - BGRock.Sty Demo").
Fixed: Drag and drop would fail if the song title contained invalid file name characters (eg slashes).
Fixed: For localized versions, the long style name would be wrong on the main screen.
Fixed: If a flash message was showing, copy/cut/paste commands would not work in dialogs.
Fixed: If there were any style changes in a song, the Bar Settings layer would display "Style changes" on any bar that had any other type of changes (eg tempo, volume).
Fixed: New lines for sections on the chord sheet was not allowed when the song had repeats.
Fixed: Some hints in the Chord Builder were not showing transposed notes, and a % symbol was showing instead.
Fixed: Sometimes RealTracks would play a dominant 7th chord for plain major triad song chords.
Fixed: The Chord Builder would not update to the current bar/beat when re-opening the window.
Fixed: The Play-Loop button (in normal screen mode) was not displaying a check mark.
Fixed: The Play-Loop popup menu was all blank.
Fixed: The popup menus in the Chord Builder were not showing any chord descriptions.
Fixed: The right arrow key would not work in the chord sheet during playback if "MIDI Keyboard Wizard Enabled" was enabled.
Improved: Elastique has been updated from version 3.1.8 to 3.1.11.
Updated: Activation dialog has been improved.

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