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So we finished the night without any further incident. The girlfriends stayed and left with the guys, and I drove home to my house. When the bass player got home, his clothes were scattered on the front lawn and the door was locked and chained. The drummer found his house ransacked, the TV smashed, the bed sliced up and his wife gone. Same thing for the singer.... The drummer's wife was not heard from for over 2 months.
Eventually, everyone made up, and the incident was forgotten as life went on...and on.... and on.... this kind of thing tended to occur about every 6 months with those guys in various forms. my similar story only differs in a few details... nobody was married yet, but suffice to say that sometimes hometown girlfriends travel to out of town gigs and discover other girlfriends. I'll never forget the way the one guitar players girlfriend kept viciously kicking him in the shins with her pointy-toed shoes. Ouch. All this happened at a topless club in Somerset Pa, and the memories of the event helped me to back out of the music business when I got married. Playing at those places makes it very hard to maintain trust in a relationship, and marriage is already a challenge without all that.
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Not a war story as in horror, but related to Pat's.
One of my favorite gigs was being the staff trumpet player for the regional theater in Albany. A phenomenal summer job at age 21.
We had a variety of acts come through such as Jerry Vale, Mitzi Gaynor, Roger Williams etc. for weekly shows. Only the talent and a music director traveled, and each area's top players made up the rest of the band as they toured the country. One of my favorites was playing the Burlesque Show. A stripper in a glass bowl was the highlight of the show, and I blew a jazz solo throughout her 'dance'. She came down and told me she enjoyed 'dancing' to my playing more than any city they worked in. I wonder how many she told that to...
One day my future wife visited the show. She asked me if I knew what was going on up on the stage, and I said, "No, I'm too busy reading the music".
That excuse worked until she overheard another band member say, "Boy, did you ever memorize music so fast in your life!".
And perhaps someone should tell Eddie this story in his thread about reading music.
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Worst gig... insult to injury.
This was the second band I was in with Glen & Danny. When the first one broke up, we didn't talk for a long time. Then one night Danny called me and I hung up on him. He called back and yelled DON'T HANG UP.... JUST LISTEN. He wanted to put the band together because none of us were playing and he needed money. He came over and we talked.... He called Glen. Glen hung up on him too. Eventually, we did reform the band, and named this band Cahoots... since we were going in cahoots with each other to make money.
So, the band was going along nicely and we were getting along well. We bought a band truck and had our logo painted on it.
We had landed a gig at the biggest club in the town up the road. We were excited to play there since it was where they booked the bigger bands. I almost believe it was a 3 day gig.... Thursday through Saturday. So we get ready to roll out. I decided to drive my van to the club. I had barely got out of town when my front wheel bearing went out. Fortunately, the service station right there had the right bearing and had me back on the road shortly. About 10 miles from the club, there was the company truck parked on the side of the highway and our road crew was setting on the bumper.... What the....?
The head gasket had blown out and the truck would not move. We called a tow truck and had the truck towed to the club. We loaded in, and pushed the truck to a parking place. We played the gig and the place was fairly empty. At the end of the first night, the club manager came up, handed us the money for one night and fired us telling us "we didn't draw a crowd" and he was going to hire another band for the weekend..... and oh... by the way, get your gear out of the club tonight. We pushed the truck to the loading dock, loaded out, and pushed the truck back to it's parking place.
Next day we had to have the truck towed back to our home town fully loaded. Turned out that the gasket wasn't blown, but the motor was totally gone... threw a rod.
I think we were unceremoniously fired about 3 times in this manner. 2 times it was supposedly because "we" didn't draw a crowd.... the other was we were in a dance/disco club that didn't like country and rock.
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The summer after high school I and a bunch of my friends were between bands at the same time. Our musical taste was different enough that we didn't want to start a band together, so we just got together regularly and jammed the most mindless random experimental drug induced stuff.. "whatever came to mind" you might say.
At the same time an old derelict guy decided he was our manager, and proceeded to book us at the absolute worst places... the kind of places where they have a peekhole in the door to make sure it isn't a raid when somebody knocks and doesn't use the secret code... Then once you're inside, they lock the door behind you. Yeah. THAT kind of place associated with police reports in the newspaper..
In fact I suddenly realize that I can't tell you that story. But here's another one booked by the same old derelict manager:
It was a hard core country dive out in the mountains in a town I had never even heard of and where I learned later the local police were afraid to go. It was in the days before political correctness made it hard on people who are haters... and we were exactly the kind of young 'uns this crowd hated. It was their civic duty to stir up trouble. And they did.
I don't think we made it through one song... but then, those guys never really stopped playing between ideas, and the first song could easily have been two hours long. I don't remember much about it actually. Except that they kicked us out very quickly and didn't pay us. We were probably lucky to escape unharmed
On the way home driving back down the mountain we found an all night restaurant in the middle of nowhere that had the best steak & cheese sandwiches, and life was suddenly good again. We were 18.
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I played in bands for fifty years so I've got more than a few. I was only 40 years, but when you play 4 to 6 nights a week most of that time you do get some real gems to tell.....  
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I played in bands for fifty years so I've got more than a few. I was only 40 years, but when you play 4 to 6 nights a week most of that time you do get some real gems to tell..... let's hear 'em!! And don't hold back, we want to hear 'em ALL! (It's OK to lie if it makes them more interesting) ;-)
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As part of a 120 voice choir in the 80's, the biggest gig we ever had was singing a pregame show for the Detroit Pistons when they used to play at the Pontiac Silverdome. We set up behind the curtain. You can see some of the curtain in the upper right corner of this photo https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaroncaldwell/2171980139We didn't say my at that game but it was the best photo I could find of the curtain. Our PA was meager. Definitely not suited for that size space. Scaffolding was already set up a couple stories and the staff of the Silverdome was supposed to put our dinky Bose 801 main speakers up on top of the two story scaffolding to each side of our stage. The speakers had pole mounts on the bottom, and in order to aim them up into the stands the staff left the pole mounts on them so that they angled up. We learned in the worst way that they did not anchor them down. Being teens and on the floor of the Silverdome, one of the guys brought a football and we were passing it around after our sound check, bumped the scaffolding and set one of the 801's rocking to where it fell off the scaffolding and shattered to smithereens on the floor of the Silverdome. Those things were built like tanks but they weren't designed for a 20' drop onto concrete. All that was salvagable were the magnets. So, we had even less firepower for the concert than what we brought. The echo in that place made it really hard to perform.
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Hiring alcoholics & roadies with one name.
We hired 2 guys to compliment our 3 piece band. (Note: these were 2 different incidents)
Jay: played the B3 and had a big, heavy, B3 with a Leslie in a trailer. He'd have half a bottle of Southern Comfort gone by 10AM every day. He played well even when toasted. We were playing our first gig at a club. Nice place, high pay, promise of regular bookings. During the songs, people would come up to Jay since he was at the side of the stage, to ask for requests. Well Jay had enough of that and stood up on his gear, started yelling, and proceeded to tell the patrons that we don't play requests so quit asking. Needless to say, that didn't go over well. The crowd started leaving, very few were still dancing, and we were not invited back. We fired Jay that night.
Denny: Good singer, played guitar and excelled at fiddle. He loved country music. We knew he was a drinker so he was hired under the condition that he remain sober for the show. First gig.... I go to pick him up and he comes out with his fiddle in one hand and a plastic drinking cup in the other. I asked what he had and he said cool aid. Grape to be precise. I told him I could smell booze, and he admitted there was a "nip" of whisky in the cup. We get to the club and start the set. He's having trouble following the tunes and playing solo parts. By the second set, he couldn't stand up. Fired.
Roadie: Not an alcohol issue.... At the same club where Denny blew it.... we had a roadie who worked with us on occasion, we called him "Skull". No one knew his real name. We had another one called Rocky...also no one knew his real name. Rocky had been wioth us a long time and was worth his weight in gold. Anyway, Skull was with us at that club. The owner cornered Glen and said we needed to do something about Skull. Glen came to me and pointed out what he had been told and I looked.... and sure enough, there was Skull setting at a table and every table around him was empty. The bar was fairly packed so that did appear unusual. It seemed that Skull hadn't taken a bath, or used deodorant for at least several weeks, if not longer, and his BO was nauseating to the patrons of the club. We took him outside and discussed the issue. He stayed outside for the rest of that gig and promised to take a shower and put on clean clothes before coming to work from then on. I didn't ride up with the crew or really work on setup so I had no clue it was that bad. But it doesn't end there.
Going home that night with the trailer in tow, Glen's vehicle had a flat tire and no spare. So Skull offered to stay with the vehicle while everyone else went home. They would get a tire and go back in the morning to fix it. That's what they did. So... fast forward 2 weeks. I called Glen to see if I could catch a ride to the gig with him. When I got in his car, I asked him what the heck that smell was. He said "That's Skull. He said you should have smelled it that morning I went back to change the tire."
Roadies.... gotta love um.
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I was drummer in my elder brothers rock & roll band. For a few summers we had a weekly gig playing the Folly Beach (beach area close to Charleston, South Carolina) Pier and Pavilion.
The stage was huge but the electrical was lacking; EVERYTHING used extension chords to connect to one electrical outlet. When it was time to take a break the main extension chord was unplugged and the jukebox was plugged in!
One sunny day our Mom made us take our younger brother with us. There we are playing our hearts out and wowing the crowd with our showmanship and musical skills. Younger brother walks across the stage to let older brother know he is going swimming. Band is wailing! Younger brother trips across extension chord! Then there is just me playing sudden and unexpected drum solo!
When I use to tell the story my younger brother use to comment by telling the name of the song we were playing; what say ye, Charlie?
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Man, some of these stories remind me of why I gave up the road...
I've talked about how I was in a Vegas show group but not all the gigs were in Nevada or were in Class A rooms. Our deal with the agent was if he had an open week in the schedule and couldn't fill it within a certain time we were free to fill it ourselves. That's where some of the fun was.
One gig was somewhere in the Baltimore/DC area, it was just a large local bar. We show up in the afternoon (Sunday maybe) and start setting up. There's a large black cloth hanging on the wall behind the drummer. A bartender says pull back the cloth and we see 2 or 3 bullet holes in the wall. That happened two weeks ago we're told. Great. Anybody hit? No.
A few nights later we're playing the first set and the place is pretty dead. It was a rectangular room where the band faced the bar with the dance floor in front and all the tables were on the far right and far left. The bouncers were from the local college football team and were all big boys. About 10-11PM or so a couple of really big mid 30's guys in loud shirts walk in and sit on the right side. A few minutes later another 3 or 4 equally huge guys also wearing very loud shirts come in and sit on the left side followed almost immediately by more large guys some who sat on the left and others sat on the right. These guys were big, solid and had muscles on their muscles. They began yelling insults at each other, then a couple beer bottles started flying and the next thing they're all mixing it up. The bouncers tried to step in and got clocked good.
Turns out these guys were pro wrestlers who just finished their show and the "good guys" and the "bad guys" decided to have some fun at that bar by messing with the football player bouncers who thought they were real badasses. The whole thing lasted just a few minutes and they all left before the cops showed up.
No shootings that week and we didn't do Macarthur Park in that place.
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We had secured a gig at the biggest nightclub east of the Mississippi River. At least that's how they billed the place. It was an old metal warehouse in Raleigh NC. It brought in the national acts. To get a Wed night in there was an honor. We had auditioned on another band's gear on a Sunday afternoon to get the gig. It was named Music City.
So we get there and start to set up for the job. The manager informs us that the club had a brand new electrical circuit installed that very day for lights. 50a 240v which was perfect for the lights we had. Previously, bands were having to open the panel and tie in in a most dangerous fashion. We often had to do that ourselves in most of the clubs we played. Our lights were awesome. AS I recall, we had 16 one thousand watt Par 64's and a few other lamps and lighting effects.
So Dave has the lights set up, all plugged in, and he plugs into the new 50a range outlet back stage.... flips the breaker on our light control and poof..... half of our lights blow out. The electrician had wired one side of the lighting to the building high leg.... 240v between the phases but 120v to ground on one and 208v on the other. The gig didn't pay enough to cover our lights. It was a live and learn. I had previously told Dave and the crew to always check the voltage, but he was so excited about us playing this huge club he neglected to take 10 seconds to check. Just glad we didn't have our amp rack and mixer plugged into the lighting panel for our band.
Shortly after we played there, the place went bankrupt and closed it's doors. We had bookings that went poof... like our lights.
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I was drummer in my elder brothers rock & roll band. For a few summers we had a weekly gig playing the Folly Beach (beach area close to Charleston, South Carolina) Pier and Pavilion.
The stage was huge but the electrical was lacking; EVERYTHING used extension chords to connect to one electrical outlet. When it was time to take a break the main extension chord was unplugged and the jukebox was plugged in!
One sunny day our Mom made us take our younger brother with us. There we are playing our hearts out and wowing the crowd with our showmanship and musical skills. Younger brother walks across the stage to let older brother know he is going swimming. Band is wailing! Younger brother trips across extension chord! Then there is just me playing sudden and unexpected drum solo!
When I use to tell the story my younger brother use to comment by telling the name of the song we were playing; what say ye, Charlie? All I have to say about that day is the lyrics were rewritten to include ugly words and my name.....
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This is not about a gig, but a contract. I was labeled as the bad guy and the most heartless SOB in the area over this one.
We had a couple approach us about playing their wedding. The date was 8 months into the future. We suggested that they wait, get the venue locked down, find out about food and booze costs, etc... and then we would talk once they knew they had budget for us. They said no, we want to sign you right now so we have you. We said okay. The fee is $3000, and we need half now as a deposit. That deposit is not refundable under any circumstances. If you break up, if you change the date... no reason will get that deposit back. I explained that the policy is NOT to bilk people out of money. It is a matter of us protecting ourselves because holding that day for them would end up bad if they were to call us close to the date of the event and canceled. We would have no chance to book the band for that night, and we would be out of work. We all have rent, or a mortgage, a car payment, etc. This is our work. They were fine with that.
Fast forward to the week of the wedding. The bride called me Monday to tell me how everything was ready and they were so excited that the big day was finally here.
Wednesday night, the groom and the groomsmen went out to party. On the way home, there was a bad accident, the groom was in ICU and 2 of the other guys died. Thursday the bride called me and told me about the sad accident and asked for her deposit check back because there was a possibility that the guy would die and there would never be a wedding.
Well, enter Eddie wearing the black hat. I told her that while I could not be more sorry that this happened, that she signed a contract that included a non-refundable deposit, that it was simply not our fault that they decided to drive drunk rather than rent a bus or hire a limo. She called me every name you could think of, and no matter how I explained that this is how the guys feed their kids, she wasn't going to hear it. I offered that I would start calling around looking for a gig for Saturday, that is was doubtful I would find one, but if I did I would break a rule and refund ONLY the difference between the deposit and what the replacement gig payed. I stressed that it was a longshot that a club would not have a band booked for 2 days from now, but I would give it my best effort, but really to not expect that I could pull it off. She kept screaming at me, cold-hearted, heartless so and so.... finally I just said that I could not do any more than that, and that I was going above and beyond given that we had a contract that said no refunds.
When word of that got around, man, everybody hated me, and all I did was make sure that the guys did not have to go without a paycheck that night. That was a $550 per man night for us! When the few most vocal people who were bashing me actually talked to me and I explained it just that way, that if it was THEM in the band and the option was not making $550 or coming off as cold, they all ultimately agreed that business is business and that it wasn't our fault that the guys made that bad choice to drive. It wasn't a lot of people calling me out, but enough to make it rough on me individually and us as a band. From what I heard, the guy lived and they married when he recovered, like 18 months later, but by then I was no longer in that band and I have no idea if they played it or not. I hated that they had the accident, but I didn't buy them as much as ONE drink!
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This is not about a gig, but a contract. I was labeled as the bad guy and the most heartless SOB in the area over this one.
We had a couple approach us about playing their wedding. The date was 8 months into the future. We suggested that they wait, get the venue locked down, find out about food and booze costs, etc... and then we would talk once they knew they had budget for us. They said no, we want to sign you right now so we have you. We said okay. The fee is $3000, and we need half now as a deposit. That deposit is not refundable under any circumstances. If you break up, if you change the date... no reason will get that deposit back. I explained that the policy is NOT to bilk people out of money. It is a matter of us protecting ourselves because holding that day for them would end up bad if they were to call us close to the date of the event and canceled. We would have no chance to book the band for that night, and we would be out of work. We all have rent, or a mortgage, a car payment, etc. This is our work. They were fine with that.
Fast forward to the week of the wedding. The bride called me Monday to tell me how everything was ready and they were so excited that the big day was finally here.
Wednesday night, the groom and the groomsmen went out to party. On the way home, there was a bad accident, the groom was in ICU and 2 of the other guys died. Thursday the bride called me and told me about the sad accident and asked for her deposit check back because there was a possibility that the guy would die and there would never be a wedding.
Well, enter Eddie wearing the black hat. I told her that while I could not be more sorry that this happened, that she signed a contract that included a non-refundable deposit, that it was simply not our fault that they decided to drive drunk rather than rent a bus or hire a limo. She called me every name you could think of, and no matter how I explained that this is how the guys feed their kids, she wasn't going to hear it. I offered that I would start calling around looking for a gig for Saturday, that is was doubtful I would find one, but if I did I would break a rule and refund ONLY the difference between the deposit and what the replacement gig payed. I stressed that it was a longshot that a club would not have a band booked for 2 days from now, but I would give it my best effort, but really to not expect that I could pull it off. She kept screaming at me, cold-hearted, heartless so and so.... finally I just said that I could not do any more than that, and that I was going above and beyond given that we had a contract that said no refunds.
When word of that got around, man, everybody hated me, and all I did was make sure that the guys did not have to go without a paycheck that night. That was a $550 per man night for us! When the few most vocal people who were bashing me actually talked to me and I explained it just that way, that if it was THEM in the band and the option was not making $550 or coming off as cold, they all ultimately agreed that business is business and that it wasn't our fault that the guys made that bad choice to drive. It wasn't a lot of people calling me out, but enough to make it rough on me individually and us as a band. From what I heard, the guy lived and they married when he recovered, like 18 months later, but by then I was no longer in that band and I have no idea if they played it or not. I hated that they had the accident, but I didn't buy them as much as ONE drink! If the shoe was on the other foot and it had been one of the guys in the band driving home sober, and he got hit by a drunk driver two days before the gig, and was unable to play the gig as a result of being in the ICU, I doubt the bride would have let you out of the contact without huge penalties so... yeah, while it seems hard and cold, it is what it is and I think you made the correct call.
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For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
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