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#394228 - 02/04/17 06:05 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: vzudell]
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Yes, it allows access to it's internal Windows 7 OS.

Agreed, we have gotten way off topic so let's move it to Facebook or PMs.

Donny

BTW, it has a few games pre-installed and you can download Solitaire from the web. I love Hangaroo (like Hangman). It has a built in camera and will clone any remote control so you'll have control of TV, etc.

It has a nice-sounding mp3 player and room for thousands of mp3s. You can watch videos from YT or add a USB Video Player. The screen is crystal clear.

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#394334 - 02/04/17 02:44 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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FYI - there's another vocal synthesis program that's being developed called Moresampler. It's specifically targeted at singing synthesis.

I started working on another song (using synSinger) after listening to Don's song based on Yesterday's chord progression.

Unfortunately, BiaB has a lot of "undocumented features" when it comes to the lyric mode.

Here's a fun use case of a dizzying, but (mostly) benign bug:

  1. Create a new song.
  2. Enter notation mode.
  3. Choose Editable Notation Mode.
  4. Click in the first bar to enter a note.
  5. Scroll to bar 5.
  6. Click on bar 5 to enter a note.
  7. Click L to enter Note based lyrics.
  8. Click L to exit Note based lyrics.
  9. Click L to enter Note based lyrics.

When you click the L to enter the mode, several (wrong) things happen:

  • The screen draws bars #1-4. BUG
  • The screen draws bars #5-8.
  • The note on bar #5 is drawn red, to show its active.
  • The note is then re-drawn in black. BUG

It's a bit dizzying, but apparently benign.

But after working on the second half of the song verse, I found that the lyrics to the first half of the verse had become corrupted. (This has happened on multiple occasions, but I've yet to find a use case to duplicate it).

So I deleted all the lyrics (not the notes) using the Edit Lyrics dialog. I then pressed the Play button, at which point all the notes vanished. mad

I've send in a bug report on that one.

Also, has anyone noticed in the Copy Special dialog there's on option Copy 1st Chorus to whole song that's set on by default? sick I sent in a bug report on this as well.

Anyway, as you might have guessed, what started as a "fun" project to play with vocal synthesis in BiaB turned into a complete waste of time (except for filling out bug reports). mad
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Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

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#394360 - 02/04/17 05:05 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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David,

Moresampler sounds great except it's sung in Japanese so it's impossible to evaluate it's handling of English.

The Japanese developer sounds like you. Another David vs Goliath.

I imagine that if you were to team with Dynavox, you would be required to sign a noncomp and forfeit your work.

Maybe consider partnering with a college or university near you.

Donny

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#394363 - 02/04/17 05:15 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Originally Posted By: Don Gaynor
Moresampler sounds great except it's sung in Japanese so it's impossible to evaluate it's handling of English.

Sorry, try this link for some examples in English.
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#394374 - 02/04/17 06:41 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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Originally Posted By: dcuny
Originally Posted By: Don Gaynor
Moresampler sounds great except it's sung in Japanese so it's impossible to evaluate it's handling of English.

Sorry, try this link for some examples in English.

David,

To these tired old ears it sounds staccato and truncated. Each syllable is chopped short, no decay.

Donny

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#460321 - 03/04/18 03:43 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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Very interesting Sinsy. I tried to play a bit with it and the quality is very high.

Unfortunately when I tried to make it singing very low notes (in english) the result is not good at all.

The reason why I'm interested in low notes is that I would like to create a solfege midi bank for this project

https://github.com/wcgbg/solfege-samples

If you check it, you will see there is already one synthetic voice bank that's done with Alter/Ego. I would like to add synthetic voices. Do you know any other software (free sw) that I could use? Ahem.... I see you're developing one (I read your blog). What about your software?
And do you have any idea how I can improve the quality of very low singing with Sinsy?

Thanks a lot David.
Gianmaria, Geneva

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#460534 - 03/05/18 01:05 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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Hello David,

I found this post very interesting. I didn't know sinsy and your (David) blog site.

I tried a bit to use sinsy for a specific task. I would like to create a soundfont midi bank containing solfege note (do, re, mi etc.). Sinsy pronunciation is a bit japanese... but that's ok. Something less acceptable (for what I need) is that when ask sinsy to sing low note it generates very robotic voice. Maybe I'm doing something wrong... ? Do you know if there is any way to fix this type of issue?

Here you can find the project I'm trying to collaborate:

https://github.com/wcgbg/solfege-samples

I also listened the result of your program and would be great for me to try to generate the notes (do, re etc.) with your program. Is that possible?

Thank you, Gianmaria
Geneva

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#460884 - 03/06/18 12:52 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Gianmaria]
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Originally Posted By: Gianmaria
I also listened the result of your program and would be great for me to try to generate the notes (do, re etc.) with your program. Is that possible?

Yep. I've gotten a hold of you via email.
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#460902 - 03/06/18 03:42 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Interesting thread but one point was made with which I disagree heartily. This is not in it's infancy. Bob Moog built a Vocoder, which this really is but under a souped up 2000s name, in 1968. That makes it 50 year old technology. It was used in the soundtrack for A Clockwork Orange, and on a LOT of songs. Kraftwerk used it all over Autobahn, and Jeff Lynn used it in ELO's Mr Blue Skies in 1976. Find a copy of Kenny Loggins Keep The Fire and it opens the song. Asia used it during live shows because nobody could really sing harmony well. Geoff Downes sang into the triggering mic and played the parts.

I had the Digitech version of these things for a long time. The old school units were very primitive and the voices sounded quite robotic, nowhere near as real as the voice processing tools work today, but that is normal product evolution that it get better every few years. The Roland Boss VE-20 is outstanding. And just $280. I have seen a lot of bands use that rather than truth the drummer to play with a click track so when the chorus hits and the BGV kick in they are in time. If I was still playing I'd buy the Roland.


Edited by eddie1261 (03/06/18 03:43 PM)
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#461016 - 03/07/18 01:27 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: eddie1261 - gone]
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Originally Posted By: eddie1261
Bob Moog built a Vocoder, which this really is but under a souped up 2000s name, in 1968.

Hi, Eddie.

Vocoding takes a "real" voice and uses it to modulate audio. It's a transformation of the original sound.

Voice synthesis is creating a new vocal from scratch, where you can enter lyrics and pitch information, and the computer generates the vocal without human intervention.

Computers driving a vocoder are one way of generating that sound.
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Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

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#461028 - 03/07/18 03:00 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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Greg Mackie, an audio genius by anyone's estimation, spent a lot of time on a vocal synthesis circuit and eventually gave up after realizing that technology wasn't there YET!


I suggested that David contact the R&D folks at Dynavox. They have the most realistic-sounding spoken voice that I've ever heard.


Edited by Don Gaynor (03/07/18 03:05 PM)

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