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#395038 - 02/08/17 01:25 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

"On The Bayou" might be considered Country.

Lots did it including Hank, but Karens' version was always a favourite.


Without Hank, Karen would not have sung it. smile
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#395039 - 02/08/17 01:36 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: HearToLearn]
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Besides, "Goodbye Joe, me gotta go" rolled off Hank's tongue much more credibly. And of course, Hank also wrote it (allegedly with help from Moon Mullican).
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#395050 - 02/08/17 06:12 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: GHinCH]
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Originally Posted By: GHinCH
Real Country, hmmm.

A lot of good selections have been suggested.

If you listen to Country music across the decades, starting with the Carter Family and Jimmie Rodgers, you will find two concurrend streams:
1. Country music that reflects the pop music trend of its time and
2. Music that has more the feel of "it could have been in a living room on a farm". (Even if it is amplified.)

ad 1:
1930s: Bob Wills, Spade Cooley and all the other Western Swing bands played Jazz;
1940s: The Delmore Brothers, Arthur Smith and others played Boogie Woogie style music.
1950s: Even Eddy Arnold recorded Rockabilly songs, Country music's adaption of Rock 'n' Roll. And there were others like George "Thumper" Jones, Hank Snow, Johnny Cash and many, many more.
1960s: Sound carpets by very large string orchestras enhanced Country music to have it have an easier access to the pop charts.
and so on...
the reason to invent outlaw country music, you know Jennings, Nelson, and their friends.

ad 2.
All the music that is seen as "real" country music including all the other sub-genres like bluegrass or gospel music for instance.




Grinch,

Excellent overview.

In my opinion dividing the music into decades is a good way to approach reviewing the music regardless what genre the music is.

Another way is to listen to a compilation such as The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band albums.

The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band has worked with musicians, singers and songwriters of several generations in the double disc albums (CD): ++ Will The Circle Be Unbroken Vol. 1 ++ , ++ Will The Circle Be Unbroken Vol. 2 ++ , and Will The Circle Be Unbroken Vol. 3 (video not available).
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#395055 - 02/08/17 06:39 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: jford]
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John,

I agree with almost everything you have said here, but one thing you have said confuses me almost as much as Floyd's list, which has a serious omission.

Are you not really speaking here of the greatest country song of all time "The Ballad of Country Joe?"

How could you have got that confused and how could Floyd have left it off his list? I am pretty riled up right now.

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#395057 - 02/08/17 07:28 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: David Snyder]
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Originally Posted By: David Snyder


Are you not really speaking here of the greatest country song of all time "The Ballad of Country Joe?"



This is on me, I asked for great country songs from a specific time...not THE BEST of ALL TIME!

I mean, come one, saying The Greatest Country Song...dare I say SONG of all time AND "The Ballad of Country Joe" is a redundancy. You simply refer to one or the other, as they are one in the same smile
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#395067 - 02/08/17 08:09 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: GHinCH]
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Originally Posted By: GHinCH
Without Hank, Karen would not have sung it. smile

No question about that. Just trying to broaden the repertoire/list of performers who did Country.
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#395113 - 02/09/17 03:39 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Originally Posted By: GHinCH
Without Hank, Karen would not have sung it. smile

No question about that. Just trying to broaden the repertoire/list of performers who did Country.

Well, that is o.k., even if I believe that the Carpenters never did Country but played a type of music that would be classified in Germany as "Schlager". *) For that type of music artists take songs of many genres and make it their own. And many genres have pieces of music that fit into that genre-bucket. Also many artists/genres change the marketing drawer they're in. Today CCR is regarded as a Country subgenre, if you would have told their fans in the 1960s and 70s that they're Country music fans you would've probably be stoned (no pun intended).

But in my post that you quoted I was reflecting on another part of your post "Lots did it including Hank" since he wrote that song.
I don't mind if the scope is broadend. One of my favourite country music albums is done by Louis Armstrong. Here's a link to a large online retailer with soundbits.


*) This link opens the German Wikipedia page which has a much more in depth view about that genre. The English page is extremely shortened, but has a more generalised definition and also relates to that type of music in other (especially) European countries.
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#395121 - 02/09/17 05:01 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: HearToLearn]
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The best country song ever written:


You Never Even Called Me By My Name

Everything else pales in comparison.


Edited by Guitarhacker (02/09/17 05:02 AM)
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#395134 - 02/09/17 07:33 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: HearToLearn]
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"Now a good friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song, and I called him up the other day and told him that he had not written the perfect country western song, because he hadn't said anything at all about mama... or trains...or trucks...or prison...or gettin' drunk."

"So I sat down and wrote another verse to this song, and it goes something like this here."

"Well, I was drunk, the day my mom got out of prison,
and went to pick her up in the rain,
but before I could get to the station in my pickup truck,
she got run over by a danged ol' train."

That was completely from memory, and I may not have gotten it all correct, but yes, truly the best country song ever written.
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#395151 - 02/09/17 10:01 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: HearToLearn]
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Add David Allen Coe to your list of "must listen to" for real country.

The guy is a complete A$$^&$# but he can write and sing some real country music. Also be advised, he has recorded several X-rated adults only albums. Some of the titles will be sufficient warning.

Then, there's classics like this:

Jack Daniels if you please

Mona Lisa lost her smile

Lately I been thinking too much lately


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#395229 - 02/09/17 06:44 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
I'm not so sure that good Country has ended. More is that it has evolved, just like every other music style alongside it.

Agree 100%! I am really enjoying Sturgill Simpson's latest CD!


Edited by JohnJohnJohn (02/09/17 06:44 PM)

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#395242 - 02/09/17 08:09 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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I don't think Hank done 'em this way..

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#395259 - 02/10/17 12:04 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: Pipeline]
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I don't think Hank done 'em this way..


You're right (but I LOVE that song!)

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#395265 - 02/10/17 01:54 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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Yes Waylon said it all, the same with Shania they gave her a hard time but look where she ended up and how many fans she brought over to Country, they restricted her so much until she met AC/DC producer Mutt Lange.
It has to grow and evolve, I grew up listing to Charley Pride but I like the new n old.
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#395397 - 02/10/17 03:18 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: HearToLearn]
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Dear Hear to Learn,

Tater went to the store for some corn (not the kind you eat) and he wanted me to tell you that you were about the smartest man he had ever read on the Internet, and that your taste in country is just as good as Willy Nelson's, and Willy is a good buddy of his.

He also said to tell you that you have a very bright and promising career after hearing your first post.

I think what he said was, and this is pretty much verbatim:

"Hell if that was his first song, I'm quitting."
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#395957 - 02/13/17 05:54 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: HearToLearn]
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Ok, I just came off being the sickest I've been in a while. I had a cold that turned into bronchitis...then got the flu! So NOT fun!

I didn't respond, because, frankly, I felt so crappy. However, what I did do was listen...over and over! This thread made all the junk MUCH better! I would close my eyes and just listen.

So thank you so much for all of the suggestions. I heard some things I really liked! I feel I learned a fair amount too.

The funny thing is, I knew probably 60% of the songs, but never really listened to that extent before.

I can say for sure there is a resurgence of a lot of this type of sound. I'm not sure where it will go, but even an element here or there is very recognizable.

Also, some of you would probably be surprised that many of the artists on the radio do have things on their cds along these lines. They simply don't get played on the radio. So, it may not be the artists not liking it so much as the market (record companies) dictating it.

Anyway, I can't thank ya'll enough for taking the time to answer. That's pretty awesome in my book! smile
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#395958 - 02/13/17 05:56 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: David Snyder]
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Originally Posted By: David Snyder
Dear Hear to Learn,

Tater went to the store for some corn (not the kind you eat) and he wanted me to tell you that you were about the smartest man he had ever read on the Internet, and that your taste in country is just as good as Willy Nelson's, and Willy is a good buddy of his.

He also said to tell you that you have a very bright and promising career after hearing your first post.

I think what he said was, and this is pretty much verbatim:

"Hell if that was his first song, I'm quitting."




Um...what? confused I think something may have been lost in the English to English translation?
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#395961 - 02/13/17 06:26 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Teach Me About "Real" Country Music Please [Re: HearToLearn]
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Glad to read you are feeling better. The flu is more vicious than normal this year.

Some of the formerly country artists now fall under the Americana banner. Some artists are on smaller labels, are independent and distribute their own music.

I've noticed many current artists have traditional songs on their CDs that don't receive airplay. More than one contemporary artist has commented something like records use to bring fans to the concerts but now concerts bring fans to the CDs. In other words they hope concert exposure will interest a fan enough for the fan to purchase a CD to be exposed to a more diverse selection of songs.
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