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I was trying to put together a couple of Beatles medleys in part inspired by the Medley Maker Option found under File/Import/Medley Maker.
Anyway, these were my initial songs with the BIAB 2017 recommendation from the style picker next to them. Basically all Lite pop some swing and some even.
Eight days a week (lite pop 4/4 sw8 140)
Got to Get you into my life (lite pop 4/4 sw8 140)
All my loving (lite pop 4/4 sw8 150)
Love Me Do (lite pop 4/4 sw8 150)
Can't buy me love (lite pop 4/4 sw8 175)
Ticket to Ride (lite pop 4/4 ev8 125)
I want to hold your hand (lite pop 4/4 ev8 135)
A hard day's night (lite pop 4/4 ev8 140)
Day Tripper (lite pop 4/4 ev8 140)
Help (lite pop 4/4 ev8 140)
She loves you (lite pop 4/4 ev8 160)
I Saw Her Standing There (lite pop 4/4 ev8 160)
Unfortunately, I've found nothing close although they get better if you reduce them right down to drums and bass.
My question, has anyone found RealTracks that come close? Mr Norton does some pretty good renditions in midi but I really want to stay with RealTracks.
Is this an area that BIAB doesn't really cater for? Am I being too precious about it? I have no problem finding close Real Track matches for Blues, Rock n' Roll, Country, Folk songs etc.
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Biab is not set up to do covers. That's why it's called "styles" as in in the style of...
Styles are designed to give you the "feel of" or a "slight reminder" of any one song but if you really want a good cover, just go to any one of several websites and buy the midi file. Or some sites use real players doing the parts on their instruments as audio just like Real Tracks except if you want Hard Days Night, you get an exact cover of Hard Days Night including that opening guitar chord.
If you're doing this for serious gigs and don't have time to dig into Biab to make exact covers then spending a few hundred bucks for really great midi or audio files is by far the quickest and easiest way to go. You can find some good backing tracks on Youtube too. If you look at this as more of a hobby and you enjoy rolling your own then yes, you can create some of those song specific parts and replace a few of the Biab style parts. Like creating a specific bass line for example. Play it on whatever instrument you use and plug it into Biab's bass instrument part and then freeze that track. That's very important, if you forget to freeze the track then the next time you generate that song Biab will automatically regen the bass line to match the style and you're bass line is gone.
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There are a lot of strategies but success is dependent somewhat on what you have tried in "trying to put together a couple of Beatles medleys".
By that statement I mean, where are you starting your Stylepicker search and when searching, what steps are you doing to choose the right style?
Why is that important?
Examine the guitar strumming patterns between these two songs taken from your initial list:
All my loving (lite pop 4/4 sw8 150)
Love Me Do (lite pop 4/4 sw8 150)
In the instance between these two songs, I would approach finding the right style by concentrating on matching the guitar strumming pattern.
There are several strategies to accomplish finding them using midi files of the song as well as audio. It may take both before you land on the right style.
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Last edited by Charlie Fogle; 02/27/17 06:54 AM. Reason: correct grammer
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Yours best bet is to download free midi files of those tunes and put'em together using Real Band.
HTH,
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Not to discourage you, but it looks quite difficult to do Beatles songs cover with RealTracks.
Realtracks will always give you a generic backing, not a specific one for a given song.
Furthermore, most of Beatles songs have specific hooks for each song (a guitar chord for intro, guitar/bass riffs, harmonica countermelody, piano chords sequence, ...), that make these songs so particular with a strong identity. They also have often rich vocal lines (2 voices).
Alternative ways given in the above posts are all valid (MIDI or audio files).
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The more creative and imaginative the songwriter and musicians (like The Beatles) the more difficult it is to find a cover style in BIAB. This used to irritate me at first but then I realised how much fun you can have creating your own backing tracks that fit the original song but are different. Also why dismiss midi tracks? You can often find a midi style that has just the individual track you want and grab it using the "select custom midi style for this track" In my opinion getting just the track you want is far more important than insisting on a RT.
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Ok. Point taken. I have no shortage of midi tracks. Inadvertently, I seemed to have opened up a really useful thread for others considering the pros and cons of Real Tracks. I've had a lot of success with Real Tracks so far, so I guess this has been my first brick wall. Also, I fear a Beatles Medley is not the right moment to do one's own thing! Thanks all, for taking the time to comment.
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Well, lambada - I am not the only one, but I like to create my own compositions using Real Tracks. Everyone has a different use for them. True, I would not be able to do something like the Beatles or any other more creative artist, then again, I am not into covers. I have only one, but that was with My KORG arranger, not BIAB/RealTracks 
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<< "The more creative and imaginative the songwriter and musicians (like The Beatles) the more difficult it is to find a cover style in BIAB." >>
I agree with this statement regarding the totality of the Beatles catalogue, they were after all, The Beatles; However, I think much of the creative and imaginative aspects were in the production and vocal harmonies and chord progressions not song structure or complicated, hard to reproduce arrangements. Especially their early work. First, many were covers anyway as George Martin had little confidence in the quality of their original material at that time. Second, structurally, they were not complicated at all, the early albums were recorded on 3 and 4 track recorders so the imagination and creativity was geared toward multi tracking and not complicated or new procedures and processes that would emerge in their later work.
No song listed above is beyond the capability of BIAB creating a more than acceptable backing track. Combining live playing or external audio of specific riffs or rhythm patterns combined with midi and real tracks can produce nearly note perfect renditions of any of these songs. The success of having an authentic Beatle sound is going to rest with the quality of the vocals and harmonies and not the backing track in my opinion.
It's not going to matter how accurate the backing track to "All My Loving" is if you sing like George Jones. To me, it makes more sense to focus the backing track style toward whatever the singers vocal style is rather than try to replicate the original sound if you can't sing the style. If you sing and sound like Frank Sinatra, then perhaps a big band style will make a more appropriate and pleasing backing track.
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Last edited by Charlie Fogle; 02/27/17 04:26 PM.
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