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Notes Norton #401271 03/17/17 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
I'm a little late to the party, and I have an early gig today, so I didn't have time to read all the responses. Please excuse any redundancy.

Yes, we are play for about what we did 20 years ago, while inflation eats away at our buying power.

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Who's to blame? The clubs for exploiting the bands? The musicians themselves for undercutting each other and undervaluing their music? The perception of the people for thinking music is supposed to be cheap or free and not being willing to pay to see live bands? Solo guys with backing tracks on a computer who will work cheaper than a 4 piece band?

or.... all of the above?


Add to the above:

1) Taxes and smaller mark-up for bar/food prices. Back when the MADD Mothers crusaded against drunk drivers, the State of Florida (and others) used it as an excuse to raise the tax on drinks $0.50 per drink. The bar I was playing in raised their price $0.25 and ate the rest. Food and other services have raised prices to the clubs as well and they are in the same spot as the musicians.

2) Karaoke Jocks. Not Karaoke clubs where the audience gets up and sings (although that hurts some) but people who don't play instruments, buy Karaoke software and go out and play clubs as if they were musicians. This increases the supply of entertainers and supply and demand rules. Plus since they have no investment in instruments and gear or the time to learn, they tend to undercut their prices to get in the door. And since the clubs are working with reduced profits, they tend to think these entertainers are a good bargain even if the product turns out to be inferior.

3) Open mic nights. Musicians will play for free and bring a group of customers with them. Too good for the club to pass up even if the music turns out inferior.

4a) Cable TV. In my parent's generation, TV was black and white, with reduced bandwith for audio, tiny speaker, and tinny sound. Later color TV with bigger speakers but the same thin bandwidth for audio so tinny sound. TV was free, but you had to go out to listen to live entertainment if you wanted to hear good music.

4b) Cable TV continued: Now we have "Home Theater" with giant super HD screens, 7.1 surround sound, and you can have The Stones, Adele, Ga Ga, Chesney, or whatever famous artist/group you like in your living room, like you have a front row seat, and just about whenever you want to stream them.

4c) Cable TV continued: TV used to be free, now it's easy to pay $300/month for TV subscriptions. That money used to be spent in night clubs for live entertainment. Multiply that by millions of Cable TV subscribers, and you can see why attendance is down in clubs. People just don't go out like they used to.

5) The music industry killed itself. It used to be that the music was an expression of an entire generation. From Al Jolson through Frank Sinatra through Elvis Presley through The Beatles everybody of that generation knew the words to their songs. Then came disco which split the market followed by (in no particular order) Metal, Rap, EDO, Pop, R&B (not to be confused with traditional R&B), Alt Rock etc. Not everyone listened and knew the words to Metallica, Dave Matthews, or even Michael Jackson. Instead of a youth radio station, most markets had several different formats for the same generation. So music no longer became the glue that held an entire generation together, therefore it lost its importance.

6) DJ clubs. The youth market and the wedding market that used to be predominantly live bands are now predominantly DJ run. Again, more supply for the same demand. And now DJs have even replaced bands in the adult market.

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Subtract from the above (OP).

1) Singles playing with backing tracks. I've never seen a single replace a 4 piece band around here. They play in rooms that always hired a single. They just sound fuller than they used to. A big club with a big stage and a single with backing tracks replacing a 4 piece band with a real drummer? Ain't gonna happen.

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I'm glad I grew up when I did. I've managed to make a decent living all my life playing music (with the exception of two jobs when I was investigating what it would be to be 'normal'. I found that for me normal is over rated). I've paid off a house in a very nice neighborhood, bought brand new cars (although they were Dodge price point instead of BMW price point), a couple of sailboats, and a nice yearly vacation to 5 continents.

I could have made more with the electronics engineering I took in college, and even tried that for a couple of years (playing music on the weekends). But I'm living my life on my own terms, I'm not a wage-slave to some inhuman corporation, I don't take orders by some Dilbert type boss, and instead of saying "I have to go to work today", I say "I GET to go to work today" and I mean it because playing music is my second favorite thing to do.

In addition I've been treated as a peer by the top musicians of the day, I got to jam with many of them, record with others, I almost made 'the big time', and I've had the opportunity to be intimate with dozens of beautiful women culminating with the best one of all who I married. And for these experiences I actually got paid. How lucky is that!!! laugh

Do I regret choosing Music over Engineering? Not one bit.

I feel sorry for the younger musicians who don't have the opportunity that I had.

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Point 2 Karoke Jocks as you describe them, I would rather listen to one who is using backing tracks and can sing, rather than a whole group of musicians where they don't have a decent singer.

As regards feeling sorry for young musicians are you really serious! there is no better time than now for any aspiring musician to learn his craft with all the online tutorials on places such as youtube and others and all the best software around not to mention biab. The best ones will always come through as they have always done, and will make a living from it.

I always find it interesting when you mention (as you always do) musicians put out of work when no doubt there are countless throughout the world using biab backing tracks with your styles, which are excellent by the way.

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HTL, don't let Eddie ruin your day. He can be a bit cranky at times.

I looked up Vic Ferrari. They're a casino show group, the same gig I had for about 6 years back in the 70's. The band was Coxon's Army and Pat Benatar was our last girl singer before she made it.

I agree with one comment above, this thread isn't about the one in a thousand Vegas show groups, it's about local weekend warriors. There are some making good money, just not very many that's all.

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Hey Bob, no worries.

The band isn't actually vegas band. They pay there once a year as a trip THEY book. It's pretty crazy how they do it.

Almost all of their jobs are festivals within the state. Just local guys that play in a band. They have day jobs or go to college, kind of thing.

That's pretty wild that Joan Jett was your singer. Talk about stage presence! I bet you have stories galore from playing!!!


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Originally Posted By: musiclover

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As regards feeling sorry for young musicians are you really serious! there is no better time than now for any aspiring musician to learn his craft with all the online tutorials on places such as youtube and others and all the best software around not to mention biab. The best ones will always come through as they have always done, and will make a living from it.

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I agree that today there is a ton of information and lessons that a aspiring musician can learn from but IMHO the most informative place to learn how to apply these teachings are in a band environment. That opportunity is gone today, at least around here. As I indicated in my original post in this thread back in the 60's-70's there were a lot of places for bands to play in our area but today there are very few. YMMV


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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton


..... I've had the opportunity to be intimate with dozens of beautiful women ...... And for these experiences I actually got paid. How lucky is that!!! laugh



This kind of stuck out to me...... can't argue with the luck factor....and getting paid for it? Ummmmmm... they got a word for that ...... not a bad side gig.

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Joe's Bar

"Live Band Saturday Night"

Thirty people showed up and spent 40 dollars each. That is $1200 total. Lets say Joe is a super business man and made 50% gross profit. That is $600.

What would be a reasonable amount for Joe to pay a band?

I sometimes play with a local south Florida band in the keys. There are generally 300 to 400 people at one of the gigs. Tips alone are around 200 to 400 dollars. We get paid very well because the club/restaurant makes enough money to afford to have a band. We also play our own original music for the most part. Some covers and most anything that someone request if we think we can play it well.

There are many tourist there, so we are not playing to the same people every time. They are on Holiday and have money to spend.

What they want is to be entertained. We are not in the music business. We are in the entertainment business.

Everyone in the band sings and everyone plays drums, guitar, bass, and keys.

We don't drink at the gig. We come there to work and make money. It is a business.

Are we a really good band? Well, yes we think so. On most nights at least...lol

I think we make better money than many bands because we work harder.

We are also very fortunate because everyone in the band likes one another and supports each other,so there is never any "band drama".

I will say the better paying gigs are corporate gigs.They pay anywhere from $2000 to $5000. They are a ton of work to get and to play. Many times requiring learning certain cover songs we don't know.

I think it will only take another 10 or 15 years for us to get good enough to compete with the big guys. If we are lucky...

If you want to make music be a music man. If you want to make money be a business man.

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Originally Posted By: HearToLearn
That's pretty wild that Joan Jett was your singer. Talk about stage presence! I bet you have stories galore from playing!!!


Not Joan Jett, it was Pat Benatar. Our other singer who made it was Marlene Ricci. Long story, she wound up in Vegas in the 80's doing a show for years at Caesar's with Sinatra.
Ever hear about the book called 20 Feet From Stardom? That was me too. Close but no cigar...

After all that I was an agent for years and kept gigging right up to a few weeks ago and have more coming up. Never got back to that level though.

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Excellent article. Great insights and an explanation of the reality involved.


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"I sometimes play with a local south Florida band in the keys. There are generally 300 to 400 people at one of the gigs. Tips alone are around 200 to 400 dollars. We get paid very well because the club/restaurant makes enough money to afford to have a band. We also play our own original music for the most part. Some covers and most anything that someone request if we think we can play it well."



Where in the Keys are you playing original music?



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Originally Posted By: HearToLearn
That's pretty wild that Joan Jett was your singer. Talk about stage presence! I bet you have stories galore from playing!!!


Not Joan Jett, it was Pat Benatar. Our other singer who made it was Marlene Ricci. Long story, she wound up in Vegas in the 80's doing a show for years at Caesar's with Sinatra.
Ever hear about the book called 20 Feet From Stardom? That was me too. Close but no cigar...

After all that I was an agent for years and kept gigging right up to a few weeks ago and have more coming up. Never got back to that level though.

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Dunno about the book but the documentary was spectacular. Janice and I were never close to or aspired to stardom but we shared the stage with some of the best.

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Just thought I'd twist the topic by saying, "Good luck getting churches to pay musicians". I simply don't do it for free anymore. For far too long my wife and I were 1/3 of the church service. Not to mention preparing, rehearsal, learning new songs, organizing teams. It's far more valuable that free. I'll jump in as a guitar player on short notice as long as there is no mid-week rehearsal and the team leader is good and organized. Oh, I certainly enjoy it. But, 8 - 12 hours of dedication every week to be the worship team leader for free is no longer for me. I'm sure there are lots of people willing to do it though.


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Just thought I'd twist the topic by saying, "Good luck getting churches to pay musicians". I simply don't do it for free anymore. For far too long my wife and I were 1/3 of the church service. Not to mention preparing, rehearsal, learning new songs, organizing teams. It's far more valuable that free. I'll jump in as a guitar player on short notice as long as there is no mid-week rehearsal and the team leader is good and organized. Oh, I certainly enjoy it. But, 8 - 12 hours of dedication every week to be the worship team leader for free is no longer for me. I'm sure there are lots of people willing to do it though.


My, My, My.... yeah!

I think I may have told the story about why I quit/got fired..... depending on who you listen to, from playing in the church orchestra.

All volunteer musicians..... paid music minister. We took from our time to support the church music on Sunday mornings by being there before anyone else got there on Sunday morning and also Wed night rehearsals.

The MM was always throwing these "special musical events" into the normal mix. I guess he thought he needed to "earn his keep". He came up with some music that didn't require guitar....at all. It was only a few weeks away from the date of performance, and we hadn't hit the music at all. With 5 minutes or so remaining in the Wed night rehearsal, he says pull out the sheet music.... slaps the CD in the machine and plays the first 20 seconds of a song. Then he says lets start at measure 30 or so..... total train wreck. repeat that again with a different song, and called it a night. Same story the next week. So to this point, all I had done was sit quietly and listen. Third week... same thing. So Knowing what was coming and having heard the music and knowing a guitar was not needed at all in that style.... I very quietly packed my gear, shut the amp off and left the stage by the side.

I was headed up the center aisle when the MM stopped the orchestra, and turned to me and said.... for the entire orchestra and about 25 or so folks in the back of the auditorium, "Herb, you think you're too good to play this music ...don't you? Not believing I heard what I thought I heard, I turned and simply asked him to call me the next day and we could talk. he repeated it and started to say a few other things. Not wanting a conflict in front of all those folks, I turned and walked up the aisle and out to my truck and went home.

I got an email telling me not to show up on Sunday until "we have a chance to talk".

At the meeting the following week, in the company of both the MM and the pastor, I was handed a list of conditions I was asked to read and sign off on in order to continue with the music program. As I finished the list, I asked if he (the MM) had handed this same list to the rest of the musicians and told them they also had to comply with the requirements. Deer in the headlights. He said no he hadn't. I slid the list back across the table to him and told him I would not sign it. I was a volunteer and was willing to provide my services without any conditions.

The meeting ended with no resolution. He tried to ease off the harsh restrictions a bit but not totally. I declined. He was not willing to take my services as a volunteer without me abiding by his list. So he told me I could come back if I would follow his list. That was the last time I went to that church. Sadly, this story is not a one time event. You are expected to spend lots of time for the program to which you are offering your time and talents for free. Fired? Quit? perhaps both.



OK.... I'm done.

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Doing residential gigs and getting 80.00 gbp an hour .

And its Monday to Friday school hours.

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Yes, I still feel sorry for younger musicians.

Yes there are more resources to teach you how to play.

But there are fewer places where you can gig and more musicians/karaoke jocks/DJs/Sports Bars, etc. filling those positions.

When I was growing up every hotel from a Holiday Inn on up had 6 or 7 nights per week of live music. Weddings, parties, school dances, and almost everything else was live too. If you played recordings, the party was considered "less than". Singles clubs, adult bars, of any worth all had live bands -- the only bars with TVs as the entertainment were corner taverns consisting of a barkeep and a dozen bar stools, and none had DJs.

Yes the Internet is a great teacher -- but -- As far as instruction is concerned, we taught each other.

I remember one of my early gigs. I was fresh out of High School, playing in Lenny's Lounge in Fort Lauderdale FL.

There were two bands, the black band and the white band. We took turns, when it came break time whoever was on stage started the break song, the other band members came out and as they picked up their instrument, the corresponding player in the other band left the stage.

Me? I walked across the stage and played with the black band. The sax player and I used to have fun together. He'd lead off and I'd try to follow the best I could.

Before the gig we all spent time in the back room. The black sax man (I wish I could remember his name) taught me so many of the things about playing Blues and Rock that the schools didn't teach. Like how to use your throat and vocal cords to get and regulate distortion, when to scoop up to notes from flat to pitch for effect, when to over-blow the horn, how to change mouth shapes to influence the tone and the vowel sound, how to play without breath support and a weak embouchure to get sub-tones, and more. He was a grey haired old guy and used to say, "I am the past, and you are the future" and told me that one day I'd be doing the same thing to some younger musician.

I wouldn't have traded that for a zillion internet lessons. As time went on and we gigged in other places, I shared info with other musicians. We were everywhere, and although some kept their secrets to themselves, most of us shared.

I was taught guitar and bass by guitarists and bassists, never had a formal lesson in either and I got good enough to play bass for Freddie Boom Boom Cannon for a short series of concerts.

I've passed on things I've learned to other sax players, and even taught a trumpet player how to play sax. He's quite good now.

Another beginner I took under my wing has played in New Orleans Jazz Fest a few years in a row. She moved to NOLA and continued to blossom.

It's what we did when there were working musicians everywhere. We passed on the tradition to the youngsters. We didn't do formal lessons, didn't take money, just shared.

Things are different now, and I just roll with the changes. Some things are better now, and I miss other things. It's just the way it is.

I started playing professionally in 1964, and other than two 'straight jobs' where I investigated what being normal was like, I've made a living playing music. Even in those two bouts of doing day gigs (neither lasted that long) I played music on the weekends. Since 1964 I've missed only one gig, I was in the hospital with food poisoning and they wouldn't let me out. I've played with big stars, recorded at Motown and other studios, partied with headliners and was treated as a peer, felt comfortable on stages with thousands in the audience, and even though I'm of retirement age, I have no plans to quit what I'm doing, because it's what I love to do.

And yes, we are playing for the same money as we did years ago, but it's a game of supply and demand, and I have to go with the flow. Still we get more than most duos, because of our reputation and because we do a good job. True we've lost some gigs to DJs and KJocks who undercut us but we've also gotten gigs where people say "Wow! You actually play your own instruments!"

Things change, accountants are replaced by TurboTax, the post office is hurt by e-mail, newspapers and magazines have taken a hit by the Internet, small restaurants put out of business by big chains, and so on.

Things change, some adapt and survive, some don't, and that's the way it has always been. Nobody sells cranks for Model T Fords anymore.

Live music is a state of decline, which is why I think I'm lucky to be born when I did so I could ride it at its peak.

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Originally Posted By: 90 dB
"I sometimes play with a local south Florida band in the keys. There are generally 300 to 400 people at one of the gigs. Tips alone are around 200 to 400 dollars. We get paid very well because the club/restaurant makes enough money to afford to have a band. We also play our own original music for the most part. Some covers and most anything that someone request if we think we can play it well."



Where in the Keys are you playing original music?



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I started playing for money in high school. $5 for a 3 hr. dance in '58. Pizza and a coke and $2 left over.
First union job I got was as a sideman, I remember it well, it was hollowen night in a dive bar where motorcycle gangs hung out. I don't remember how much I made, maybe $40. I do remember is that I was thankful I got out of there alive!
I began teaching school in 1964 and was playing weekends. One midweek we played happy hour for 3 evenings at the Fairmont in SF. and for the first and only time I made more than playing my school salary for that month.

In the mid 60's making $75 a night on weekends. I was making more than my wife's 40 hr. a week office job so she was able to stay home with the kids.

Bob, as far as learning from other musicians, I learned Portugese songs from a trumpet player while on the bandstand. He would play his chorus and I would learn. He then would sing it to me as I played my chorus.

Learned the Chicken Dance the same way but with a beautiful Swedish young woman singing not my ear while I was playing!!

Got to run, gigging in an hour.

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When I hear someone say play 'the chicken' I think of this first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgntkGc5iBo

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When I hear someone say play 'the chicken' I think of this first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgntkGc5iBo

jaco, erskine, brecker ..


Now that's good music!


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Notes, my main observation is that these days, music teachers are typically local musicians who have no day job, and they teach SONGS, not music. Not the way to learn, in my opinion. Learn music. Scales, key signatures... THEN learn how to finger tap and play those awful Van Halen solos that had no message and were just an exercise to see how many notes he could fit into his 32 bars.

My first gig was when I was 15 at a teen center. 4 piece band, good amount of Beatles and Stones type music, whatever was popular in 1966. When we finished, the rhythm player's mother, who was our "manager" told us we earned $25 for the night. And when she had a chance to make change, we'd get our share of that $25. So my first gig paid $6.25.

Luckily, no agent fee....


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So my first gig paid $6.25.

And it's been downhill ever since cry


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Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Happy Easter! Holiday Hours...

2024 is well underway - it's already Easter Weekend!

Our Customer Service hours this weekend are:

Friday, March 29: 8-4
Saturday, March 30: 8-4
Sunday, March 31: closed

Regular hours resume Monday, April 1st - no joke!

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Video: Volume Automation in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created a video to help you learn more about the Volume Automation options in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows.

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Volume Automation

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#volume-automation

Video: Audio Input Monitoring with Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created this short video to explain Audio Input Monitoring within Band-in-a-Box® 2024, and included some tips & troubleshooting details too!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Audio Input Monitoring

3:17: Tips
5:10: Troubleshooting

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#audio-input-monitoring

Video: Enhanced Melodists in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®!

We've enhanced the Melodists feature included in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows!

Access the Melodist feature by pressing F7 in the program to open the new MultiPicker Library and locate the [Melodist] tab.

You can now generate a melody on any track in the program - very handy! Plus, you select how much of the melody you want generated - specify a range, or apply it to the whole track.

See the Melodist in action with our video, Band-in-a-Box® 2024: The Melodist Window.

Learn even more about the enhancements to the Melodist feature in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024upgrade/chapter3.htm#enhanced-melodist

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