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Dear Anyone.
I'm a wannabe New Age artist. I've got some lovely inexpensive sounds - but a bunch of great ones sound like they've been totally soaked in reverb even though I'm not using any. Some of them are in Kontakt Player, some in Irish Acts Infinity vst.
Now like I said above I've not put any effects on them. I've turned Release off in the DAW. I've kept the notes short (desperation tactics!) And they all sound like I've shoved a Grand Canyon reverb setting on them.
Thing IS, they're such lovely New Age sounds I REALLY want to use them. But I want to be the one controlling the reverb, not having their reverb controlling me! How do I take all the reverb off the sounds, leaving them bone dry and controllable, and then put back just the amount of reverb I want to? If the reverb is on the actual sound, how do I strip it off again?
Yours baffledly
ulrichburke
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First I know nothing about your DAW or Kontakt or IAI. However if the sounds are bounced audio files, e.g., wav or MP3, and were bounced with reverb there is no way to remove it. For example if I apply reverb to a track in my DAW and then bounce or export it to an audio file then the reverb and any other effects are part and parcel of the track. Bringing it back into the DAW will not allow any changes to be made.
The VST and midi experts will know a LOT more than me.
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Trying to get rid of existing reverb in audio is pretty impossible. That being said, if you are using Kontakt instruments, many of them have an effects page on the instrument interface where you can set the level of reverb (along with other settings), or turn them off completely. It's possible that is where your reverb is coming from; if so, you might be able to dial it back.
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Have you ever attempted to separate the ingredients of a baked and finished cake back into the eggs, flour, sugar, vanilla, and oil? Removing reverb or any effect from a wave is just about that easy.
Not trying to be funny with that above, but once the effect is applied and printed to the wave file, that's the reality of it.
You said it was a "New Age" and that genre is noted for it's reverbed music and sounds.
I googled the Irish Acts Infinity synth and yep... the sounds are drenched in reverb. If they are sampled audio, it's very likely that they were sampled with the reverb and are therefore "wet" samples and are impossible to get a dry signal. I don't know what player you are trying to use... if it's Kontakt or something else... but have you checked in the DAW to be sure you don't have reverb applied and turned on? Some synths do have reverb in them. I believe TTS is one of those. Kontakt is not.
You didn't provide much in the way of explanation of the software you are using and details on the sounds and the players involved. So all of this is just a guess as to what's happening.
I have Kontakt as well as some of the other synths by NI.... and yes, many of the sounds are loaded with reverb. Especially the new age stuff and pads. Since you're trying to be an "aspiring new age artist" I would suggest embracing the reverb and going with it. In the meantime, use it, but if you really want control, search for some dry sounds and buy them when you find them.
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Doesn't Kontakt have user adjustable reverb. As stated earlier, check to see if the synth itself has a reverb setting.
But, since you are new, I wonder if you are hearing a slap-back delay/loop-back produced by the latency of your computer and/or soundcard/interface. This is common for newbies to run into depending what you have connected to your computer. Also, if you are using a gamer type of audio/video card you might have ambience settings there turn on. If that's the case check your soundcard properties.
Post your system specs and what you have connected and how you have it routed.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
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Doesn't Kontakt have user adjustable reverb. As stated earlier, check to see if the synth itself has a reverb setting.
But, since you are new, I wonder if you are hearing a slap-back delay/loop-back produced by the latency of your computer and/or soundcard/interface. This is common for newbies to run into depending what you have connected to your computer. Also, if you are using a gamer type of audio/video card you might have ambience settings there turn on. If that's the case check your soundcard properties.
Post your system specs and what you have connected and how you have it routed. I have K-4 and it does NOT have reverb in the control panel. Any reverb either has to come from the source sample itself or from a plugin in the DAW being used as the host. Many of the sounds in Kontakt as well as the other synths in the NI package are reverb heavy at the sample level. Latency, is not going to cause a slap-back or looping echo/reverb sound. It causes a delay and also it can cause clicks, pops and dropouts, but I've never heard it cause reverb...... Normally, the music tends to be out of sync or delayed from the key press to the sound in the speakers.
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Herb, I have Kontakt 5.5 and there is a reverb in the instrument effect section. Click on the wrench in the upper left hand corner, instrument effects then add fx. IIRC this was also available in Kontakt 4. But I do not believe this is available on the free Kontakt Player but I don't know for sure.
On many patches there is a reverb control on the main patch page and/or in the effects page of that patch.
BUT if you are using Kontakt to play an audio sample and if that sample has reverb in it then no you can not remove the reverb.
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Yep, there are controls within Kontakt itself, but often many instruments implement their own effects controls on the instrument page itself. Not saying the patches may not already wet with effects (as Herb mentioned), but sometimes you really have to look under the hood and you may find you have to look for the hood latch to even get there.
And I'm referencing Kontakt 5, by the way.
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Herb, I have Kontakt 5.5 and there is a reverb in the instrument effect section. Click on the wrench in the upper left hand corner, instrument effects then add fx. IIRC this was also available in Kontakt 4. But I do not believe this is available on the free Kontakt Player but I don't know for sure.
Yep, there are controls within Kontakt itself, but often many instruments implement their own effects controls on the instrument page itself. Not saying the patches may not already wet with effects (as Herb mentioned), but sometimes you really have to look under the hood and you may find you have to look for the hood latch to even get there.
Yep... for a minute there I had a hard time finding that wench in the corner..... oh... you said wrench.... my mistake.... Yeah... it's not that easy to find. It's not in the main synth GUI. You have to load a sample set, and then it becomes available in the sample GUI. You have to open a few things to get there but yep... there is reverb in those GUI's. You gotta dig to find it. Honestly, I never knew it was there because if I needed verb I simply grabbed the reverb in the DAW and plugged it in. That said... the sample I used to look for the K4 reverb was Cello ensemble which was plenty wet to start with.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Herb, the only reason I knew that was because I like to work with dry tracks so I will always take out any reverb in VSTis that I can. That way I can use the same reverb for all instruments in my DAW. That is just my workflow and others may/will vary.
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Latency, is not going to cause a slap-back or looping echo/reverb sound. It causes a delay and also it can cause clicks, pops and dropouts, but I've never heard it cause reverb...... Normally, the music tends to be out of sync or delayed from the key press to the sound in the speakers. [/quote]
Not trying to argue, but, depending on what you have connected to your computer and/or soundcard/interface you can accidentally get a slapback echo by hearing the live motoring and the processed sound at the same time. When I get this I usually go to my computers sound properties mixer panel and mute the culprit. Not knowing the experience level of the original poster I thought it might be possible for some to misconstrue echo for reverb. Just covering the basis. But, now that i review the post i see it's very unlikely that would be the case since it seems to all software synth oriented.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
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To the op, help us understand when you say you want to be a New Age artist, what you mean by that.
Is there a particular artist or song for which you are wanting to mimic or use as a guide?
If you can point us there, I think we can help you get some synths and effects that will help to approach the timbre of those sounds.
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