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#404555 - 03/30/17 09:19 AM [RealBand] WASAPI driver question for anyone...
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We are thinking of adding WASAPI driver support for the various programs. I'm wondering if people use WASAPI drivers with other programs. And if they do:
- does it work well
- what interface are they using? Is it multi-port and do the WASAPI drivers show up in stereo pairs (so that an 8-port interface would show up as 4 stereo inputs)
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#404626 - 03/30/17 03:17 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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They just show up as a stereo in or 2 mono with WASAPI, there's no multichannel.
The ASIO4All gives you all inputs of all devices (this is handy if you are using 2 devices for recording that are synced with optical or rca cable) but you get that GS Wavetable error thing unless everything else is closed.

I use the WASAPI with the onboard audio for playback/mixing that works good, rather than having a good ASIO interface plugged in and on all the time just for playback. I lent a 16ch USB Phonic Mixer to someone, they used it as a soundcard so it was left on all the time so the internal power supply blew, but I fixed it after replacing a lot of parts, so now I only use the multichannel interfaces for recording only.

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#404644 - 03/30/17 05:44 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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Thanks for the reply and the video demonstration.
So WASAPI is strictly for a single stereo input. Not more than that.

It is confusing because I've been told that Presonus interfaces hav wasapi that can do multiple audio in. We have a presonus on order, so I will check that out.
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#404647 - 03/30/17 06:05 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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))) but you get that GS Wavetable error thing unless everything else is closed.

Does this happen if you select "allow apps to take exclusive control of his device" as discussed here http://www.shanekirk.com/res/pda4cpp/appendix_b_excerpt-2016-10-01.pdf
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#404648 - 03/30/17 06:28 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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Also, perhaps SONAR users can let me know if they are using wasapi with the latest SONAR 2016.11 release.
And is this multi port.

https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000051/SONAR-2016-11-Update-Fixes-and-Enhancements

"Improved Built-in Audio Support: With new WASAPI drivers, SONAR now delivers extremely low-latency performance with laptops and tablets that can rival pro audio devices—we’re talking truly high-performance mobile setups, whether for Artist, Professional, or Platinum. "
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#404649 - 03/30/17 06:41 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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Cakewalk supports the WASAPI audio driver and has written articles about it.

+++ Blog article +++

+++ Documentation +++

+++ Documentation 2 +++ I find it very interesting that Cakewalk makes a distinction to select WASPI as the driver for onboard (built into the computer motherboard) audio devices and ASIO for external devices.

I know some of this information does not exactly match your request for information but many users in this forum are also active in the Sonar forum so I'm hoping this may prompt them to add their personal experience using the WASPI driver selection.

I sometimes use the Windows 7 WASAPI driver selection on a Dell laptop while using Cakewalk's Music Creator 6 DAW or the open source Audacity wave editor. While using the WASAPI driver both programs offer additional audio input and output devices that I otherwise would have difficulty using. The WASAPI driver adds native support for USB microphones, headphones and speakers. Latency varies around 10 - 12 milliseconds while using the USB devices.
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#404650 - 03/30/17 06:53 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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Jim,
Thanks. Do you have a multi port audio interface ? If so does the wasapi driver show all of the ports. Or is it only for single port setups.
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#404655 - 03/30/17 07:10 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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That's with the TASCAM. I just tried it with the Avid Rack and I get 18ch with with ASIO but 12ch with WASAPI.

Yes I remember trying that Exclusive thing with ASIO4All but the only thing that worked for me now as I remember is Vista Midi Fix
http://www.benryves.com/products/vistamidi
this sets the default midi output device for Windows, and I set it to Coolsoft, see before after below:


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#404662 - 03/30/17 08:36 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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Pipeline,
Great tips. Thanks
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#404671 - 03/30/17 11:55 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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This is potentially interesting. I switched to ASIO (I have an ASIO driver available with my Zoom audio interface although I also have ASIO4ALL installed on my PC) as I was having latency issues with the BIAB default driver and it fixed the latency issues when recording to BIAB. Unfortunately, afterwards, I found my midi controls to external devices had stopped. Is there anything in ASIO that alters midi messages? Mine were going out on Channel 4 and 16. If ASIO has nothing to do with those kind of problems, is there any other down side to using ASIO or would I be better to try to set up WASAPI which I have yet to track down let alone use!
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#404736 - 03/31/17 10:51 AM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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Originally Posted By: PeterGannon
Jim,
Thanks. Do you have a multi port audio interface ? If so does the wasapi driver show all of the ports. Or is it only for single port setups.


Peter, all of my external interfaces are dual input that show up as two discrete channels in Music Creator 6 or as linked stereo in Audacity.
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#404746 - 03/31/17 12:03 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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I just got rid of all my USB interfaces to go back to old school analog mixer with a Behringer 802. I was tired of mucking with ASIO and latency etc.

I did find that WASAPI is handy in Audacity as I can run my motherboard line ins and outs through my mixer using the LOOPBACKS it provides, so I can, for example, mix my Kentron SD100 to do MIDI along with RealTracks.

I suspect this might get me around the limitation to use DXi for MIDI when I output to .WAV / .MP3 in BIAB. I had been using Audacity for this purpose, when I want to record to digital audio using an external sound module.


Edited by PhillyJazz (03/31/17 12:03 PM)
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#404774 - 03/31/17 02:26 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PhillyJazz]
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#404790 - 03/31/17 04:53 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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#404827 - 04/01/17 05:47 AM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
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$599 vs. $59 will get you a lot of features, eh?
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