You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#404555 - 03/30/17 09:19 AM [RealBand] WASAPI driver question for anyone...
PeterGannon Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 13450
We are thinking of adding WASAPI driver support for the various programs. I'm wondering if people use WASAPI drivers with other programs. And if they do:
- does it work well
- what interface are they using? Is it multi-port and do the WASAPI drivers show up in stereo pairs (so that an 8-port interface would show up as 4 stereo inputs)
_________________________
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.

Top
#404626 - 03/30/17 03:17 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 2462
They just show up as a stereo in or 2 mono with WASAPI, there's no multichannel.
The ASIO4All gives you all inputs of all devices (this is handy if you are using 2 devices for recording that are synced with optical or rca cable) but you get that GS Wavetable error thing unless everything else is closed.

I use the WASAPI with the onboard audio for playback/mixing that works good, rather than having a good ASIO interface plugged in and on all the time just for playback. I lent a 16ch USB Phonic Mixer to someone, they used it as a soundcard so it was left on all the time so the internal power supply blew, but I fixed it after replacing a lot of parts, so now I only use the multichannel interfaces for recording only.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dblos28m48uwfio/AU-Audio-Drivers.gif?dl=0
If it ask for Sign in click No Thanks Continue..at the bottom.

Top
#404644 - 03/30/17 05:44 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
PeterGannon Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 13450
Thanks for the reply and the video demonstration.
So WASAPI is strictly for a single stereo input. Not more than that.

It is confusing because I've been told that Presonus interfaces hav wasapi that can do multiple audio in. We have a presonus on order, so I will check that out.
_________________________
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.

Top
#404647 - 03/30/17 06:05 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
PeterGannon Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 13450
))) but you get that GS Wavetable error thing unless everything else is closed.

Does this happen if you select "allow apps to take exclusive control of his device" as discussed here http://www.shanekirk.com/res/pda4cpp/appendix_b_excerpt-2016-10-01.pdf
_________________________
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.

Top
#404648 - 03/30/17 06:28 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
PeterGannon Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 13450
Also, perhaps SONAR users can let me know if they are using wasapi with the latest SONAR 2016.11 release.
And is this multi port.

https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000051/SONAR-2016-11-Update-Fixes-and-Enhancements

"Improved Built-in Audio Support: With new WASAPI drivers, SONAR now delivers extremely low-latency performance with laptops and tablets that can rival pro audio devices—we’re talking truly high-performance mobile setups, whether for Artist, Professional, or Platinum. "
_________________________
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.

Top
#404649 - 03/30/17 06:41 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
Jim Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/20/11
Posts: 3779
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC USA
Cakewalk supports the WASAPI audio driver and has written articles about it.

+++ Blog article +++

+++ Documentation +++

+++ Documentation 2 +++ I find it very interesting that Cakewalk makes a distinction to select WASPI as the driver for onboard (built into the computer motherboard) audio devices and ASIO for external devices.

I know some of this information does not exactly match your request for information but many users in this forum are also active in the Sonar forum so I'm hoping this may prompt them to add their personal experience using the WASPI driver selection.

I sometimes use the Windows 7 WASAPI driver selection on a Dell laptop while using Cakewalk's Music Creator 6 DAW or the open source Audacity wave editor. While using the WASAPI driver both programs offer additional audio input and output devices that I otherwise would have difficulty using. The WASAPI driver adds native support for USB microphones, headphones and speakers. Latency varies around 10 - 12 milliseconds while using the USB devices.
_________________________
Jim Fogle
2018 BiaB (516) UltraPlusPak RB 2018 (Build 5)
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Sonar Home Studio - Cakewalk Music Creator 6 - Audacity
i3 laptop, 64bit Win 7, 8 GB ram, 480GB HDD
Music at: http://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Top
#404650 - 03/30/17 06:53 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
PeterGannon Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 13450
Jim,
Thanks. Do you have a multi port audio interface ? If so does the wasapi driver show all of the ports. Or is it only for single port setups.
_________________________
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.

Top
#404655 - 03/30/17 07:10 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 2462
That's with the TASCAM. I just tried it with the Avid Rack and I get 18ch with with ASIO but 12ch with WASAPI.

Yes I remember trying that Exclusive thing with ASIO4All but the only thing that worked for me now as I remember is Vista Midi Fix
http://www.benryves.com/products/vistamidi
this sets the default midi output device for Windows, and I set it to Coolsoft, see before after below:


Attachments
ASIO4ALL-Error.jpg

ASIO4ALL-Vista-Midi.jpg

002Rack-ASIO.jpg

002Rack-WASAPI.jpg



Top
#404662 - 03/30/17 08:36 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
PeterGannon Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 13450
Pipeline,
Great tips. Thanks
_________________________
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.

Top
#404671 - 03/30/17 11:55 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
lambada Online   embarrased
Expert

Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 1148
Loc: Hong Kong
This is potentially interesting. I switched to ASIO (I have an ASIO driver available with my Zoom audio interface although I also have ASIO4ALL installed on my PC) as I was having latency issues with the BIAB default driver and it fixed the latency issues when recording to BIAB. Unfortunately, afterwards, I found my midi controls to external devices had stopped. Is there anything in ASIO that alters midi messages? Mine were going out on Channel 4 and 16. If ASIO has nothing to do with those kind of problems, is there any other down side to using ASIO or would I be better to try to set up WASAPI which I have yet to track down let alone use!
_________________________
Windows 10 Home insider preview (Evaluation) Build 17083
BIAB 2018 (Build 510)
Intel(R) Core(TM), i3-4160, CPU @3.60 GHz RAM 16 GB, 64 Bit X64-based processor
Zoom UAC-2 (USB 3 interface-built in midi)
VoiceLive 2, Nova, Sputnik Valve Condenser Mic

Top
#404736 - 03/31/17 10:51 AM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
Jim Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/20/11
Posts: 3779
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC USA
Originally Posted By: PeterGannon
Jim,
Thanks. Do you have a multi port audio interface ? If so does the wasapi driver show all of the ports. Or is it only for single port setups.


Peter, all of my external interfaces are dual input that show up as two discrete channels in Music Creator 6 or as linked stereo in Audacity.
_________________________
Jim Fogle
2018 BiaB (516) UltraPlusPak RB 2018 (Build 5)
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Sonar Home Studio - Cakewalk Music Creator 6 - Audacity
i3 laptop, 64bit Win 7, 8 GB ram, 480GB HDD
Music at: http://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Top
#404746 - 03/31/17 12:03 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
PhillyJazz Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 479
Loc: Philly
I just got rid of all my USB interfaces to go back to old school analog mixer with a Behringer 802. I was tired of mucking with ASIO and latency etc.

I did find that WASAPI is handy in Audacity as I can run my motherboard line ins and outs through my mixer using the LOOPBACKS it provides, so I can, for example, mix my Kentron SD100 to do MIDI along with RealTracks.

I suspect this might get me around the limitation to use DXi for MIDI when I output to .WAV / .MP3 in BIAB. I had been using Audacity for this purpose, when I want to record to digital audio using an external sound module.


Edited by PhillyJazz (03/31/17 12:03 PM)
_________________________
Jan - Quad Core Intel Core i7 4.0 (clocked to 4.4)
32GB DDR4
Win 10 64-bit
Samsung m.2 SSD Boot drive,other internal and USB drives.
XENXY 802 analog mixer
Ketron SD4,SD1000
Yamaha RX-v381amp
VB-Audio virtual cables

Top
#404774 - 03/31/17 02:26 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PhillyJazz]
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 2462
Behringer UFX1604


Attachments
UFX1604-WASAPI.jpg

UFX1604-ASIO.jpg



Top
#404790 - 03/31/17 04:53 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
rharv Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 18801
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
Pipeline
I want to come over to your house and play, looks like you have lots of toys.

smile
_________________________
Make your sound your own!

Top
#404827 - 04/01/17 05:47 AM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
PhillyJazz Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 479
Loc: Philly
$599 vs. $59 will get you a lot of features, eh?
_________________________
Jan - Quad Core Intel Core i7 4.0 (clocked to 4.4)
32GB DDR4
Win 10 64-bit
Samsung m.2 SSD Boot drive,other internal and USB drives.
XENXY 802 analog mixer
Ketron SD4,SD1000
Yamaha RX-v381amp
VB-Audio virtual cables

Top
#404831 - 04/01/17 06:24 AM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
Guitarhacker Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/03/09
Posts: 5661
I've been using ASIO from the start. What little I know about WASAPI is that it's Windows answer to ASIO. Very similar in how it acts and if I understand correctly, it allows sharing mode so that multiple audio devices can use it at the same time. It is supposed to be a low latency driver. It allows bypassing of the audio mixer and the default settings according to what I read. It is recommended as an audio driver when MME, and ASIO are problematic in one way or the other. If your ASIO driver provides excellent service, there is no advantage to using WASAPI.

It is simply one other option to use for running an audio product. It is proprietary so the device or software has to be designed to be compatible with WASAPI in order to function properly using it.

AS far as PG adding it to the compatibility list, I think that would be a good idea since some people may actually find that WASAPI is the fix they need to run a low latency system with some of the off brand interfaces on the market.
_________________________
You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com

Add nothing that adds nothing to the music

Top
#404875 - 04/01/17 01:01 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: Guitarhacker]
PhillyJazz Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 479
Loc: Philly
"Proprietary" is sometimes an advantage (look at Apple) when you own the stack from hardware through OS and drivers.) I've found the Surface Pro the most stable "laptop" I have ever used. I don't mind a Windows-specific technology when it comes to multimedia (as MSFT has ignored this area for so long.)

I've made an entire CAREER out of Microsoft's inadequacies, so I'm not about to abandon Windows any time soon.
_________________________
Jan - Quad Core Intel Core i7 4.0 (clocked to 4.4)
32GB DDR4
Win 10 64-bit
Samsung m.2 SSD Boot drive,other internal and USB drives.
XENXY 802 analog mixer
Ketron SD4,SD1000
Yamaha RX-v381amp
VB-Audio virtual cables

Top
#404933 - 04/01/17 08:36 PM [RealBand] Re: WASAPI driver question for anyone... [Re: PeterGannon]
Tobias Offline
Expert

Registered: 03/26/04
Posts: 1560
Loc: Way too close to Palm Springs,...
I wonder if WASAPI shares all your music with Microsoft as it passes through the driver?.

~ just for sarcasm ~
I know nothing about WASAPI.


Edited by Tobias (04/01/17 08:36 PM)
_________________________
Does the noise in your head bother me ?

Top


PG Music News
Video - Downloading and Installing RealTracks Sets for Band-in-a-Box® for Mac

Have you purchased your Band-in-a-Box® package, and want to make sure you're downloading and installing the RealTracks Sets correctly?

Well, we've created just the tutorial video you're looking for! Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac® - Downloading and Installing RealTracks Sets.

Video link:
www.pgmusic.com/?vid=QndXu8H_IwM

Thoughts on Band-in-a-Box® 2017 - Mac Power Users Discussion

David Sparks and Katie Floyd discuss a variety of topics in their recent episide of Mac Power Users: https://www.relay.fm/mpu/432 - listen all the way through (and laugh along with them - it was a very entertaining episode!), or jump to 1:37:40 where David shares his thoughts on Band-in-a-Box® 2017 for Mac!

Thank you David and Katie!

Polish New Features Video for Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows

Our Polish Distributor, Sound Station, has finished their Band-in-a-Box 2018 New Features summary video (in Polish!) - click here to watch.

We hope all our Polish Band-in-a-Box users find this video helpful - thank you Sound Station!

YouTube Find - Love it (with Band-in-a-Box 2018)

YouTube channel EmtpyHallToones uploaded a video of their guitar performance using Band-in-a-Box backing tracks!

Click here to watch.

Get to Know the 202 NEW RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box® 2018!

We released 202 NEW RealTracks with Band-in-a-Box® 2018! Learn more about these new RealTracks when you watch our video, Band-in-a-Box® 2018 - 202 NEW RealTracks.

These new RealTracks (in Sets 278-300) are included in every Band-in-a-Box® 2018 UltraPAK, Audiophile Edition, or the PlusPAK upgrade - the Mac packages are on sale until June 30th!

Learn even more about the new RealTracks and listen to demos here.

Vocal "Oohs" and "Aahs" RealTracks Tutorial Video for Mac

With Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac®, we've introduced Vocal "Oohs" and "Aahs" RealTracks. This video shows you the different ways you can use these versatile new RealTracks.

Video link: www.pgmusic.com/?vid=zkO-AtAPv4g

You can also listen to demos of RealTracks Set 278: Shiny Vocal Oohs & Aahs here.

This RealTracks Set is available for just $29, and is also included in RealPAK 14: Country, and the Band-in-a-Box® UltraPAK, Audiophile, or 2018 PlusPAK Upgrade.

Video RealTracks for Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac - Special Pricing Until June 30th!

With the recent Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac release, we also released Video RealTracks Sets!

Video RealTracks allow you to see the RealTracks artist playing that track - you can use them just like any other RealTrack, and you can generate a video which will display the musician playing your song exactly as you hear it. You can also include a chord sheet or notation in the video.

We've added Video RealTracks Set 1: Pop Ballad Band to our Free Bonus PAK included in Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac packages during our release special (which ends June 30th!).
Video RealTracks Set 2: Country TrainBeat Band is included in the 2018 49-PAK, along with 40 Bonus UNRELEASED RealTracks, 22 MIDI SuperTracks, 101 Instrumental Studies, and Artist Performance Set 8: Traditional Songs Sung by Béatrix Méthé.

SPECIAL OFFER: During our Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac release special, purchase our "Video RealTracks Set 3-6 Special Bundle Offer" to complete your purchase with the remaining Video RealTracks Sets for the low price of just $49! Learn more.

Learn more about the new Video RealTracks and see them in action: http://www.pgmusic.com/?vid=fzkX6jO_hW4

Forum Stats
27617 Members
50 Forums
52221 Topics
432189 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
ausvsac, Jose-Luis-NZ, Cipher, BillyP, fleahead

27616 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Icelander 192
Noel96 171
David Snyder 148
Janice & Bud 135
Pipeline 111
rsdean 110
Deryk - PG Music 106
eddie1261 - gone 98
Scott C 97
cliftond 90
Today's Birthdays
drleroyhenry, georgeptingley, Russell